Quantas A-380s grounded after engine explosion

Oberon · 11-04-10, 08:14 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11691197

The Boeing boys will be rubbing their hands in glee over this.

Kudos to Quantas though, they take their safety record (no fatalities since 1951) very seriously.

Gerald · 11-04-10, 08:20 AM

Boeing sees little of this with joy, especially when it comes to the A380...

Oberon · 11-04-10, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

Boeing sees little of this with joy, especially when it comes to the A380...

Anything that gives Airbus problems will bring Boeing and those who support Boeing great joy.

Gerald · 11-04-10, 08:37 AM

From an economic standpoint, and from a supplier, but not in its entirety, it is difficult for me to see that it would be beneficial for the company, possibly in the case of insurance for example..

Herr-Berbunch · 11-04-10, 09:04 AM

Not great for RR either, although a lot of the engine is outsourced to other heavyweight indutrial companies. The casing (made by Volvo Aero and Goodrich Corp.) is supposed to retain any explosion - certainly shouldn't permit any part to puncture the wing and drop the casing on the ground. And oh

, the footage of the casing dropped on Batam being manhandled through the street and possibly destroying any forensic evidence of failure

.

So the upshot is, engine components failed, casing failed, RR will suffer, Airbus will suffer, Boeing will be happy (and confirming to client why they should've just gone for solely GE's engines in the 777 and 787). Passengers safe though

Edit: And the same aircraft had an emergency landing previously at Heathrow with an undercarriage fault! Talk about unlucky.

CCIP · 11-04-10, 10:31 AM

Yikes, didn't think this was a big deal till I saw pictures of the wing - that is a seriously uncontained failure. Good to see it ultimately didn't do the damage it could've.

Tchocky · 11-04-10, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Not great for RR either, although a lot of the engine is outsourced to other heavyweight indutrial companies. The casing (made by Volvo Aero and Goodrich Corp.) is supposed to retain any explosion - certainly shouldn't permit any part to puncture the wing and drop the casing on the ground.

That's a fan failure, debris should never leave the engine casing due to the forward position - the debris would hammer the fuselage instead of the wing. Turbine point-of-attachment failures are different, for some reason there's an awful lot more rotational energy to contain, and it's easier to design a cowling to mostly contain the damage and for the wing to take a hit. A wing full of kerosene at tens of degrees below freezing is less susceptible to flashfire from hot bits of metal, I think.
The casing can't be said to have failed as it's not designed to *fully* contain a turbine failure as it is a compressor failure.

sharkbit · 11-12-10, 07:51 AM

Found this article on one of the trade magazine websites that I get:
http://www.amtonline.com/publication...ion=1&id=12186

Skybird · 11-12-10, 01:29 PM

Again Qantas - fate is really going after them.

A 767 with engines by GE returned to Perth. Reason: engine problems 5-10 minutes after takeoff.

TarJak · 11-12-10, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Again Qantas - fate is really going after them.

A 767 with engines by GE returned to Perth. Reason: engine problems 5-10 minutes after takeoff.

This story wouldn't have gotten a run if the A-380 hadn't have happened. Precautionary turnarounds are not uncommon.

bookworm_020 · 11-12-10, 11:10 PM

RR has come out and said the engine problems are all it's fault

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...112-17r3s.html

Still it isn't much of a fix. There are the oil leaks that have being found.

Skybird · 11-15-10, 03:47 AM

Qantas does the Grand Slam: a B747 returned to Sydney, after problems with the engine electronics in cockpit. That gives Qantas four strikes in a row.

sharkbit · 11-19-10, 08:15 AM

Continuing news:
http://www.amtonline.com/publication...2223&pageNum=1

11-04-10, 08:14 AM	#1
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Qantas A-380s grounded after engine explosion http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11691197 The Boeing boys will be rubbing their hands in glee over this. Kudos to Quantas though, they take their safety record (no fatalities since 1951) very seriously. Last edited by Oberon; 11-05-10 at 04:54 AM.

11-04-10, 08:20 AM	#2
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Boeing sees little of this with joy, especially when it comes to the A380... __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

11-04-10, 08:37 AM	#4
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	From an economic standpoint, and from a supplier, but not in its entirety, it is difficult for me to see that it would be beneficial for the company, possibly in the case of insurance for example.. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

11-04-10, 09:04 AM	#5
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Not great for RR either, although a lot of the engine is outsourced to other heavyweight indutrial companies. The casing (made by Volvo Aero and Goodrich Corp.) is supposed to retain any explosion - certainly shouldn't permit any part to puncture the wing and drop the casing on the ground. And oh , the footage of the casing dropped on Batam being manhandled through the street and possibly destroying any forensic evidence of failure . So the upshot is, engine components failed, casing failed, RR will suffer, Airbus will suffer, Boeing will be happy (and confirming to client why they should've just gone for solely GE's engines in the 777 and 787). Passengers safe though Edit: And the same aircraft had an emergency landing previously at Heathrow with an undercarriage fault! Talk about unlucky. __________________

11-04-10, 10:31 AM	#6
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Yikes, didn't think this was a big deal till I saw pictures of the wing - that is a seriously uncontained failure. Good to see it ultimately didn't do the damage it could've. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

11-12-10, 07:51 AM	#8
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	Found this article on one of the trade magazine websites that I get: http://www.amtonline.com/publication...ion=1&id=12186 __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

11-12-10, 01:29 PM	#9
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,632 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Again Qantas - fate is really going after them. A 767 with engines by GE returned to Perth. Reason: engine problems 5-10 minutes after takeoff. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-12-10, 11:10 PM	#11
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	RR has come out and said the engine problems are all it's fault http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...112-17r3s.html Still it isn't much of a fix. There are the oil leaks that have being found. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

11-15-10, 03:47 AM	#12
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,632 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Qantas does the Grand Slam: a B747 returned to Sydney, after problems with the engine electronics in cockpit. That gives Qantas four strikes in a row. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-19-10, 08:15 AM	#13
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	Continuing news: http://www.amtonline.com/publication...2223&pageNum=1 __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”