DREAM Act, more like the NIGHTMARE Act

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

I would just like to point out the fact that non-US citizens have joined the US military in the past and worked towards their citizenship while enlisted. Being a natural born US citizen I'm a little sketchy on the details, they could be from US Territories.

They can be from any country not just US Territories.

Qualifications
A member of the U.S. Armed Forces must meet certain requirements and qualifications to become a citizen of the United States. This includes demonstrating:

• Good moral character
• Knowledge of the English language;
• Knowledge of U.S. government and history (civics);
• and Attachment to the United States by taking an Oath of Allegiance to the U.S. Constitution.

Qualified members of the U.S. Armed Forces are exempt from other naturalization requirements, including residency and physical presence in the United States.
...
Service in Wartime
All immigrants who have served honorably on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces or as a member of the Selected Ready Reserve on or after September 11, 2001 are eligible to file for immediate citizenship under the special wartime provisions in Section 329 of the INA. This section also covers veterans of designated past wars and conflicts.


Service in Peacetime
Section 328 of the INA applies to all members of the U.S. Armed Forces or those already discharged from service. An individual may qualify for naturalization if he or she has:

• Served honorably for at least one year.
• Obtained lawful permanent resident status.
• an application while still in the service or within six months of separation.

from: http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigr...ilcitizens.htm

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, the topic at hand.....I would venture to guess that the one best path we could offer is citizenship if those here illegally join the military. Monetarly capturing and deporting all illegals is unrealistic. Training those that choose to stay and join the military get not only physcial training but classroom time so they understand what they are fighting for. I see no problem with it.

[Takeda Shingen]

I agree with AVG, but would also add that one of the most frequent arguments levied against illegal immigrants is that they do not contribute to the 'system'. Military service, espeically in these times, is one of the highest form of contribution to America. If one is willing to risk his life in the service of this country, I think it only fair that he be granted a path to legal citizenship.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I agree with AVG, but would also add that one of the most frequent arguments levied against illegal immigrants is that they do not contribute to the 'system'. Military service, espeically in these times, is one of the highest form of contribution to America. If one is willing to risk his life in the service of this country, I think it only fair that he be granted a path to legal citizenship.

Absolutely.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Absolutely.

Also agreed.

[SteamWake]

Im just wondering what percentage of the illegal immigrants in this country, you know the ones 'doing jobs americans wont do' would actually enlist as a path to citizenship.

Rather I would think they would dive even further 'below the radar'.

There interists are purely economic not political.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Im just wondering what percentage of the illegal immigrants in this country, you know the ones 'doing jobs americans wont do' would actually enlist as a path to citizenship.

Rather I would think they would dive even further 'below the radar'.

There interists are purely economic not political.

True but it is a start. I would suspect a lot would take the opportunity. Besides three hots and a cot those in the service are paid as well.

[Bubblehead1980]

All the personal attacks, why? I have said nothing racist or bigoted.I simply oppose amnesty in ANY form because it gives someone who is a criminal with no respect for my country, a break they don't deserve.This has nothing to do with hispanics, I dislike ALL illegal immigrants, can be a white illegal from the UK or a Mexican illegal etc, if you are here illegally, you do not belong nor deserve any assitance.That is not bigotry, that is called following the law.So lets be men and drop the PC crap, thanks.


SteamWake....I chose the name Bubblehead because I hold it in high regard but again someone uses it for personal attacks because we disagree.Again, people know in essence their argument is wrong so they resort to personal attacks such as accusing me as being a bigot etc.

On a side note....the illegals themselves may not have a political angle but the Dems certainly do.They know they could solidify many votes with this for a long time and instead of trying to have the bill passed on the up and up, they are trying to attach it a defense spending bill.This is the Dems playing politics with our military.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

it doesnt matter what they do, what they call it, how they try to cover up the ugliness, EVERY illegal immigrant is a CRIMINAL. Amnesty of any kind is unacceptable. its Unbelievable the benefits they get. They practically get a free dam pass on everything. Health care without insurance or any kind of payment, college scholarships, no taxes and its like there god dam royalty. its sickening. they bring crime, poverty, disease, degradation of schools and what do we give them? Amnesty!?!?! dam. it doesnt matter who it is, they are ALL corrupt selfish greedy piiiiigs in washington in BOTH parties. The majority of the U.S public dont even WANT to give them amnety, and yet there giving it to them anyway. Its time for us to Sift through this ocean of political correctness and touchy Racial BS and Get to the REAL problem. Mexicans/south american people come here and feast like parasites on this country. And people dont have the BALLS to go and tell them to GET OUT because theyll be branded as "racists" and "bigots". AHAHAHA! you leech off us and WERE racist? THats hilarious! and They have the AUDACITY to protest for Rights and freedom, when theyre NOT citizens and theyre BREAKING THE Law! And all in spanish, nonetheless. You dont GET to enjoy the freedoms of this country because you ARENT part of this country. America has become the most touchy-feely over the top anti racial society. Theyre afraid to tell the Actual specific groups What theyre doing and they cant take action, because theyre too dam scared of being 'Racists". THATS why theyre WINNING. people need to grow some balls and DO something.

[XabbaRus]

If you are wondering why the personal attacks then maybe you should think about the way that you introduce your posts.

They are full of invective and fury not rational analysis. A lot of people agree with you as disagree with you but a lot of how a discussion continues and how people respond stems from the first post. By all means you have a right to be angry at what your government does that you don't agree with and post that here but I think you need to calm it down a little. You are studying law and I hope you don't approach your subjects the same way as you approach things here.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Ok i'll grow some balls. And call your right out.

Captain Matt Your post is BIGOTED. Hows that?

Disease? WTF is with that? Some twisted logic you designed from reading on how settlers from Europe brought diseases that devastated population of the Natives?

Of course they bring disease. its exactly like European settlers. Theyre are diseases ALL around the world that the native population of that area has grown immune to. They bring what THEY'RE immune to and not us, well then they brought a disease over. Way to make uneducated statements.

and either they need to grow a pair or they need to Shed themselves of that Moronic Racial screen. Its become so Sensitive that its basically CONTROLLING us. Cause if we talk about a certain ethnic group and what they do wrong, were racists. Thats unacceptable. We gotta shed that off BACK to where it was, which was basic Nondiscrimination. No hating ethnic groups because of skin color, and allowing them to be a lesser. Not this touchy-feely oversensitive idiocy. we gotta relearn when ENOUGH is ENOUGH and we gotta engrave it in titanium. Were gettin pushed around by other races and im tired of it. If we dont give you that job EVEN though your a terrible worker, then they call us bigots. And thats fine. They can think whatever lies they want. its that we treat them as if they were Special BECAUSE of that that is overboard.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Yea i suppose so. I heard they were talking about making any child that got a GED citizens. THAT is unacceptable. But military service is.......reasonable..grounds for citizenship. Although soon they wont really be risking their lives as much. when we pull out, there isnt going to be very much life risking jobs. Not to say there isnt during peacetime, of course there is, and while the gesture of volunteering for a duty that COULD take your life is good, theres going to be less of a risk then there is now. If youre stationed here, just waiting around its pretty much a kush job.

Military, OK. Anything else? no. No amnesty. your child gets a GED? SO WHAT! i got my GED, wasnt all that hard. And i actually had to PAY for my college. What just because you pass high school, especially with all the unbelievable benefits, you should get a free pass for breaking the law? Thats where most illegals are just gonna stop cold. No college, nothing else to further education. Theyre going to be forced to get jobs where American Citizen TEENS should be able to go to work. Now its all being taken by illegals. How the Hell is a high school grad supposed to pay for college if he cant get a job hes qualified for with his GED. Meanwhile, any ILLEGAL basically gets a FREE PASS to college. Wtf!? they don pay taxes, they bring crime and poverty, they bring high school drop outs and juevinile delinquints. And they DO take jobs that SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR CITIZENS. but of course these corporations are GREEDY PIGS who are RUINING this country. By buying out politicians, screwing over consumers, and Hiring ILLEGALS to work for them because they take a lower wage!? What the hell is gonna happen to A good LAW ABIDING American family that cant find a decent Middle-class wage jobs? theyll slip into POVERTY. so frankly, illegals are PARASITES on this country.

[SteamWake]

Well Mr. Reid tried to slip this little jewl into the defense spending Bill.

Result? Bill by failed by 4 votes.

I dont know if that was the intent to begin with but yea... way to go Mr. Reid.

[Zachstar]

Bill diddnt fail it diddnt get to a vote because Rethugs did not vote for cloture.

And because of that we will call out rethuglicans on their votes against the military. Keep giving us political ammo repubs!

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

rethuglicans

Is this the left's attempt at bipartisanship? I had almost given up hope.

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Keep giving us political ammo repubs!

they will... you guys need it so desperately