Pastor weighing plans to burn Qurans amid U.S. warnings

[Factor]

I know it wont happen, but if it did, lets say, I will never doubt anything "couldn't" happen after 9-11.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I would agree that this would be extreemly likely. Not a good time to go hiking on the Pakistani border.

Oddly enough, they usually kill each other. Or their neighbors, anyway.

All we hear from terror-associated groups like CAIR is to worry about "islamophobia" or mistreatment of muslims. They slaughter Americans wholesale on 9-11, and what happens? Pogroms? Nope, nothing. Imams get invited to the WH to lead prayers. Meanwhile, cartoons are published, and they riot and kill back home.

Bottom line is that the worst anti-muslim in the West is only likely to engage in rhetoric, not violence---or even threats of violence. The same cannot be said in reverse, where freedom of expression--in free countries--gets people murdered (Theo van Gogh, for example, or fatwas against Rushdie).

[Blood_splat]

These church members better be careful because they might lose their heads over this. Look at the crazy guy who stabbed a Muslim cab driver over the building of the Mosque. And that was only one crazy guy, think of all the radical Muslims who might snap.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Blood_splat

These church members better be careful because they might lose their heads over this. Look at the crazy guy who stabbed a Muslim cab driver over the building of the Mosque. And that was only one crazy guy, think of all the radical Muslims who might snap.

And perhaps it would not just the Americans that would be in most and immediate danger.
We've got a lot of those radicals Muslim here with their organizations that I guess would love to burn some bibles or even some church buildings, the authorities are being soft with these radicals though many moderates condemn them through the media.

[Aramike]

Whether or not the burning is "right" aside, the fact that it would indeed incite many in the Muslim world to violence is the overarching problem here.

You are all in imenent danger from Islam. You just don't realize it.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Whether or not the burning is "right" aside, the fact that it would indeed incite many in the Muslim world to violence is the overarching problem here.

True.

There are countless examples of other religions being besmirched by someone or another, and the incidence of church-sponsored death threats, much less credible threats or actual attempts is virtually nil by other religions.

Are there nuts of other religions? Sure. Are there atheist nuts? Sure. Islam is over-represented in the violent nuts category.

Let them burn what ever they wish. That is the difference between liberty and tyranny,

You are all in imenent danger from Islam. You just don't realize it.

Chicken Little

[Aramike]

Click "View Post" once on someone on ignore and what do I get?

Chicken Little

I see your intellectual capacity for debate is still limited by the amount of emoticons permitted by forum rules. And while I *may* agree with what you are *implying* in principle, let's just say I'm not suprised by your typical "smilie" response. In fact, its quite common knowledge in these forums that you are actually incapable of stating a position supported by logical reason and would rather either resort to a series of "smilies" or vague questions which you can disavow as indicative of an actual opinion.

It's kind of funny that someone who's clearly an intellectual lightweight actually continues on as though he's not. But what's actually hilarious is the condescending manner in which he does so. (By the way, that means YOU, in case the context manages to escape you as usual.)

Alas, my apologies for clicking on "view post" and letting this repetitive troll incite me once again. Back to discussing issues with people who actually have a grasp of them and don't pretend that they are educated in every subject that ever existed.

Oh wait, I almost forgot...

[Skybird]

Merely symbolic acts like public book burnings, or parades, are not my cup of tea. However, it frustrates me to see in just another public debate that once again Islam is allowed to be judged by a set of special standards, putting it above all others.

When "they" burn western flags or law books or symbols of Western culture in Muslim countries, close churches and discriminate christian minorities systematically, then nobody here raises just one eyebrow. If now a church community claims the same right for itself and wants to burn Islamic symbols and has said that by this it wants to illustrate to the Islamic world how it feels for us what in islamic countries is common habit, so that they get a taste of their own medicine - then it suddenly is a major affair, and everybody jumps up and is yelling, and the Gutmenschen climb out of their holes and warn of making a stand in the name of western tradition and not to provoke the bully and that we should not confront the violent and the hysteric and the intolerant in self-defence, but appease them and flee from them and leave them what they want: more, and more, and more.

On Patreus'S comment, I only say this. Thinking he can negotiate lasting results with a fanatical religious enemy, is careless, to put it mildy. I use to have a good opinion of Patreus, I think he is one of the most intelligent and smartest generals in the military, as far as names made it to the headlines over the past 10 or 15 years. But to warn of putting up a perception challenge to and not appeasing Islam due to his - armed, I suppose - troops in his army might be attacked, leaves me speechless. Of an army I expect to defend itself and to be capable of shooting back with effect.

The hysterics will still be there, no matter whether you burn Qurans or not. the self-righteous sentiment in the muslim wqorld will still be there. The supremacist claim will still be there. The non-negotiable will to dominate will still be there.

As I see it, I neither applaud the planned Quran burning, nor do I object to it. I see no big deal in it - just a demonstration of behavior that is based on reciprocity. Those chruch-people wantt to do what the Islamicn world is constantoly doing. So what's the issue? If islam clerics and masses can call for the assassination of Islam critics and cartoonists and burn Western symbols all the time - why shouldn't we be allowed to burn Islamic symbols, then? Same standards for everyone - no special standards for Islam. If that makes them pumping up their blood pressure until their heads pop open - very well. the more they kill themselves in streeets riots and "public anger", the better. The fewer hysterics like this there are, the better for all the rest of the world. And if they turn violent against others instead against themselves - then why not shooting back.

Reciprocity. We are constantly on the defence, all time long willing to fall back one step, and another step, and one more step, and then more steps. since 50 years we deliver respect and and deeds installing Islam in the West - we did it all in advance, but in general the Muslim world did not trade back on equal terms: it took our deeds and acts as if they were natural, and it answered by just raising even more demands. what we understod to be an invitation for coexistence and "dialogue", it took as an invitation to go on the offensive once again and go for it all. that is no tolerance and coexistence, that is no reciprocal repoly to our invitation. So why not answer in a reciprocal way to their ways of doing?

In the end, it comes down to this: burning Qurans in no way is even close to be as bad and evil as is assassinating critics of islam or demanding their execution, killing apostates, declaring the female half of mankind a subordinate slave race, punishing rape victims for being raped, having stoning as death penalty, and demanding the subjugation of all who are not already submitting to this primitive and barbaric totalitarianism. Who speaks nice and kind of Islam, not only ignores these crimes and barbaric acts being carried out, but even ridicules the victims and minimises the courage of every Muslim-born man and women daring to resist this, criticising this, and refusing to obey this barbarism any longer at the price of risking their lives, and loosing their family's social context. And leaving them alone while embracing the evil they stand up against, by the standards of our western ethics and our moral self-claims is a treacherous and cowardly act worth of utmost detestation.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

What they should have done instead of spending money on copies of the Quran and Bic lighters was going out into his community using the money for something more purposeful....like feeding those in need.

Kind of ironic...World Outreach Church....yeah sure...

Couldnt agree more.

That is just low, very provocative and can achieve no positive outcome, I dont think I've even heard of any radical muslims burning Bibles?
I know, they have burnt U.S British and Swedish flags to name a few, (flag burning is equally retarded tbh)

[MH]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Couldnt agree more.

...... I dont think Ive even heard of any radical muslims burning bibles?......)

No they dont....usually they are smarter than that...

[Gerald]

A Florida church's threat to burn copies of the Koran to mark the September 11 attacks has been condemned by Hillary Clinton as "disrespectful" and "disgraceful".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...nton-says.html





Note:Published: 8:00AM BST 08 Sep 2010

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Skybird

When "they" burn western flags or law books or symbols of Western culture in Muslim countries, close churches and discriminate christian minorities systematically, then nobody here raises just one eyebrow.

Fact is, people are most concerned with what is going on in there own backyard before they worry about what happens abroad.
Look at your average news broadcast or paper, unless there is something huge going on, (war/terrorism/disaster.) Home affairs get reported first or on the front page, overseas stuff afterwards.

Now then, if a Western based Mosque was burning bibles, flags or whatever, you dont think that would stir up the same controversy?
Look at the ground Zero mosque, its a mosque 2 blocks fromt he site and everyone is up in arms, its MUCH bigger story than the Koran burning idiots.

The attitude just falls short of an 'eye for an eye': aka: its ok because some muslims burnt stuff in the past.
Do most muslims burn flags and western documents or is just a handful of extreamist Idiots?
When you burn a holy book or flag, you insult EVERYONE under that faith or nation.

Your problem Skybird is that you keep treating Islam as if it just one voice and one mind.
Your view of "us and them" only tells me that your mentality is little different from the radicals we hate/fear so much.

Also it this particular case, these guys are hurting Christians more than Islam, stunts like this only give most good christians a bad name.
Just as 9/11 gave most good Muslims a bad name. Although the scale of the two acts is incomparable, the priniciple remains the same.