Let's ban Taliban game

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Flaxpants

But from a Taliban point of view, the Americans are terrorists, so to be fair, you would have to ban the game outright, or any wargame with 'real world' sides.

The Taliban's point of view is and should be of no concern for us.

I indeed supoort the idea that shooters should not enable the player to identify himself with any faction shown in the game on odeological grounds, especially when the faction is trying to simulate a faction from reality. Psychologically it makes a difference whether you shoot at the "blue Alliance" or Red Bots, or at Nazi figures, Allied aces or UN blue helmets. In the first case, you game against bits and bytes and oixels. In the second you haven given it a face, making you shooting at something that is a bit more human than just bits and bytes and pixels.

Leave it to "Bluefor" and "OpFor". does not change the mission a bit, nor the gameplay, but psychologically it makes a difference. Ort did oyu think the game "America's Army" is named like that just by random coincidence...? Here, the identification effect is a wanted ingrendient, since the game was designed to acchieve right this effect - for recruiting purposes. I oppose such projects.

Let's leave it to tactical challenge and strategic problems. It's like with sports shooters. These guys for the most to not imagine to shoot at real people, and they do not prject mental images of people they hate onto the target poster. They are about the mental focussing, calobrating the instrument, and getting a good point score for the series they fired. If one of them starts to pin photos of faces onto his target posters, I would avoid him at all costs (and report him to the staff).

I want a game where I can shoot this "Dr. Fox" over and over again.

Call it: Idiot Douchebag Hunter...

[Safe-Keeper]

I went through a phase like this, where I refused to play WWII games, and especially the German side. I see where people are coming from. Still... it's a game, and the fact that you can gun down Talibans more than makes up for the fact that you can play as them.

Originally Posted by Castout

Let me google that and see if they got Israelis too

No, they just have HAMAS fighters sitting around very bored, the wall keeping them from making themselves useful. Though you do get a shovel and the ability to try fruitlessly to dig tunnels to Israeli settlements.

Also, on a humorous note, let's ban the game of chess: It's a racist game because you use WHITE pieces to try to beat BLACK pieces. Or vice versa.

Never thought of that. I add to your concerns the fact that White always goes first.

[raymond6751]

Playing at war is playing at killing people. Call the firing figure any name you want, but when a shot is fired in a game, it is intended to 'kill' an enemy figure.

Sensitive people won't be playing this game. If you have lost someone dear to you in that fight, you won't be buying a wargame and certainly not this one.

This, I think, comes under the Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Expression, and poetic license kind of umbrella. Don't buy it if it offends.

[Subnuts]

Weren't people having a fit four years ago when they learned that SH4 wasn't going to be another U-boat simulation?

Playing as the Taliban: Tasteless and offensive.
Playing as WWII German submarine commander, sinking allied ships and killing hundreds of people: AWESOME!

[Castout]

Originally Posted by raymond6751

If you have lost someone dear to you in that fight, you won't be buying a wargame and certainly not this one.

yea that would be the best solution there is. Come to think of it the game may indeed bring distress to people who have lost their loved ones in similar circumstances in real life.

But the minister argument imo is still A FAIL that people would identify with the faction they play in game.
That's just inviting flaks.


I just killed 15 US Army soldiers playing as Takistan Army yesterday and the cruel thing I sniped them all with a 0.50 cal KSVK rifle(Russia's M107 equivalent), and they had no chance.... and I enjoyed playing every bit of it but does that make me a terrorist?! Ugh

But then again I killed many many more Takiban insurgents and Takistan Army playing as US Army solider in that same game . . . .because I'm very fond of the SCAR-H(Mk17) rifle only available to the US side in game . . .

[Arclight]

Just getting hung up on a word again. If they had changed 'Taliban' to 'Baliban' the whole thing would have flown under the radar.

[kiwi_2005]

I always choose the terrorist side in Battefield cause their weapons are far better. The AK47 is the best rifle ever to be made though ive never tried it in RL but in-game it reins lol. This game where we can play the taliban well I wouldn't choose them cause they're taliban it will be based on what weapons they have to offer.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Arclight

Just getting hung up on a word again. If they had changed 'Taliban' to 'Baliban' the whole thing would have flown under the radar.

would not work if the minister still objected to seeing British Forces being shot at in game. Maybe changing them to Blitish Forces but then he would say the game is discrediting the British Forces.

It's his argument that I don't agree with and thus his motive.

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

I always choose the terrorist side in Battefield cause their weapons are far better. The AK47 is the best rifle ever to be made though ive never tried it in RL but in-game it reins lol. This game where we can play the taliban well I wouldn't choose them cause they're taliban it will be based on what weapons they have to offer.

Umm my experience with AKs in ArmA 2 is that they SUCK . . . . A LOT.
I usually open fire at relatively long distances even without long range optics or even with no optics at all . . . .and in ArmA 2 the AK spreads its bullets like crap at those distances and as I almost always go semi that means a lot of trigger pulling and anytime the enemy could return accurate counter fire. Plus most come with poor optics or nonexistent of long range optics or the required accuracy itself from the equipped rifle.

95% of the time when playing Red I would only be playing as Red sniper with SVD Dragunov or KSVK though mostly SVD. That's some awesome weapon at least in the game (so much so I bought an airsoft SVD). As for other AKs I can't be bothered with them . . .at least unless I change my style of playing and engage at closer distances.

As for the bluefor my favorite are quite plenty: M43A2(Sniper rifle), M107(Sniper rifle), G36(German Army standard rifle which I think the most awesome rifle in the world only falling behind the brand new SCAR-H at least in the world of Arma2 :P) and SCAR-H(Mk17 assault rifle)

[DarkFish]

In the SH series you can play as the Nazis Oh Nooooeeees! Ban it!!!!

[G.K.]

I support the NATO troops in Afghanistan and I understand that many good soldiers lost their lives back there (even some Czechs, too...), but isn't it jist a damn videogame after all? I can't understand why those things are confused with politics...

[yubba]

We are really blessed to have the opportunity too play these historical accerate video games , and be able to learn from both sides of these games, history, weapons systems, and what the people might have gone through in real life. I for one about crapped my pants playin Metal of Honor, landing on Omaha Beach ,so it was a game it gave me a good idea what it was like , I got killed many times. My great uncle Willard was there, he survived it, and the rest of the war , though I never heard him talk about it, but he did give me a 8mm german mauser , he only said it was something he got in the war,so I got a good idea what he went through. Even playing real war games someone has too be the bad guy, you couldn't have a Top Gun without a aggressor squadron. No matter how tasteless something is it shouldn't be banned, it's not who we are as a people ,if you ban this game [ by the way where do you get it, and what's it call again] what's next.