What would you've done? - Page 2

Ducimus · 08-09-10, 04:02 PM

IMO the only thing that cop did wrong, was not having his badge visible while making the stop. If he was following the motorcyclist, and had made the decision to stop the guy on the bike, then he should have moved his badge/photo identification to a visible location on his person. Even if he had to hold it in his left hand as he drew his weapon with his right. (however, they're probably trained to use both hands when handling their sidearm for the best possible control of it, Only time ive ever seen a cop on video hold a sidearm with one hand was when he was putting it away)

As for the gun, he brandished the weapon, and clearly had it ready in case he needed it, (having it out was probably a matter of procedure given how fast the motorcyclist was travelling, that kind of speeding is a serious offense) but at no time did he point it at the guy on the motorcycle.

edit: Ill also note that once the stop was made, and the motorcyclist compliant, he holstered the weapon as it was no longer needed.

Platapus · 08-09-10, 04:44 PM

But don't the police routinely video tape us during "interactions"? What about this "requirement" for all parties to consent in that case?

Ya can't have it both ways. I don't think this would pass muster in a court. There is nothing wrong with someone videotaping something in a public area. Now how they use that video tape, may be covered by different laws, but not the actual video taping.

Of course, I need to stop using that term "video taping" as that really dates myself.

Wolfehunter · 08-09-10, 05:09 PM

What I see in the video is an off duty cop doing something wrong and the biker also doing something wrong. Both need to be punished accordingly.

SteamWake · 08-09-10, 05:12 PM

On a somewhat related note they just installed these cameras at selected intersections here.

These cameras can somehow detect when a car is running a red light or turning at a red light without a full stop. A picture of the liscence plate is taken and the vehicle is tickited. Evidently it is irregardless of whom is driving the car.

It was a very contriversial move but it went in.

Platapus · 08-09-10, 05:19 PM

127 MPH on a Maryland road? Is he nuts? One pothole at that speed and someones gonna get a hurtin.

Ducimus · 08-09-10, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

But don't the police routinely video tape us during "interactions"? What about this "requirement" for all parties to consent in that case?

Ya can't have it both ways. I don't think this would pass muster in a court. There is nothing wrong with someone videotaping something in a public area. Now how they use that video tape, may be covered by different laws, but not the actual video taping.
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Well, i do think the law against video taping cops is heavy handed, but on the other hand, there are far too many self important dillweeds who hate being told what to do and take video's that are out of context of what really happened.

The old saying, "The camera doesn't lie" is patently false in this day and age. What's kinda scary is that People believe videos and pictures without any hesitation or doubt as irrefutable truth, and yet all of it can be doctored and edited to portray just about anything, by anyone with the software and motivation.

Ducimus · 08-09-10, 05:45 PM

On a related subject:

Proposed Law Would Put Video Cameras In Cars

I doubt it'll pass, but it figures california would try it first.

Capt. Morgan · 08-09-10, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Well, i do think the law against video taping cops is heavy handed, but on the other hand, there are far too many self important dillweeds who hate being told what to do and take video's that are out of context of what really happened. .

Agreed, but I feel there's much more of a worry from the cops than from the di**weeds.

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

... What's kinda scary is that People believe videos and pictures without any hesitation or doubt as irrefutable truth ...

Funny. Before everybody and their dog carried a movie camera in their pocket, video evidence was considered the next best thing to a full confession in court.

Now that any slob can film the cops in action, video evidence has begun to be questioned, and filming cops has even been made illegal in such places as North Korea and the UK.

Ducimus · 08-09-10, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt. Morgan

Funny. Before everybody and their dog carried a movie camera in their pocket, video evidence was considered the next best thing to a full confession in court.

Now that any slob can film the cops in action, video evidence has begun to be questioned,

Gee, i wonder why.

GoldenRivet · 08-09-10, 06:51 PM

I dont see that the officer over reacted at all.

He exited his vehicle, ordered the man off the motorcycle and within about 3 to 5 seconds identified himself as a state police officer.

sorry [expletive Deleted] stupid [expletive Deleted]'s like this motorcycle rider kill their [expletive Deleted] selves and murder or seriously injure innocent people every day by doing these impromptu stunt shows on public [expletive Deleted] highways all the time. My father was an experienced rider and instructed other riders in parade routines... therefore i have ZERO respect for those who take these machines out and purposefully endanger themselves and others (same goes for those in vehicles)

if you ask me he should have his [expletive Deleted] locked up, his bike remanded to state custody and sold at auction, and his his driver's license suspended for a period of 18 months minimum.

dumb [expletive Deleted]

Platapus · 08-09-10, 07:01 PM

Also, at the very end of the video, is there not a marked police car right behind the motorcycle with an officer/trooper standing by?

08-09-10, 07:05 PM

Wasn't this a google thing? Who gives a rat's behind?

Us new guys are tired of being treated poorly so I'm giving it back.

Ducimus · 08-09-10, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Also, at the very end of the video, is there not a marked police car right behind the motorcycle with an officer/trooper standing by?

I don't recall of seeing one, but then, the video was abruptly stopped. I doubt it really ended where it did.. I think there's more footage, but its being stopped there, intentionally because what transpired after that point would probably work against the guys favor. Better to just show the cops jacking him up and end it there.

GoldenRivet · 08-09-10, 07:38 PM

simple fact of the matter is that these D-Bags are all over the road doing all kinds of stupid stuff all the time, and if i were within my right to hop out of my car with a firearm it would happen two or three times a week.

Im sure the cops get tired of scooping these biker kids off the road with little spoons.

Platapus · 08-09-10, 07:44 PM

I have to admit that after seeing that video, my sympathy for the rider went down a lot. He was not driving in a responsible way, and surely gives legitimate riders a bad name.

08-09-10, 04:44 PM	#17
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,377 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	But don't the police routinely video tape us during "interactions"? What about this "requirement" for all parties to consent in that case? Ya can't have it both ways. I don't think this would pass muster in a court. There is nothing wrong with someone videotaping something in a public area. Now how they use that video tape, may be covered by different laws, but not the actual video taping. Of course, I need to stop using that term "video taping" as that really dates myself. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-09-10, 05:09 PM	#18
Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	What I see in the video is an off duty cop doing something wrong and the biker also doing something wrong. Both need to be punished accordingly. __________________

08-09-10, 05:12 PM	#19
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	On a somewhat related note they just installed these cameras at selected intersections here. These cameras can somehow detect when a car is running a red light or turning at a red light without a full stop. A picture of the liscence plate is taken and the vehicle is tickited. Evidently it is irregardless of whom is driving the car. It was a very contriversial move but it went in. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

08-09-10, 05:19 PM	#20
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,377 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	127 MPH on a Maryland road? Is he nuts? One pothole at that speed and someones gonna get a hurtin. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-09-10, 06:51 PM	#25
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	I dont see that the officer over reacted at all. He exited his vehicle, ordered the man off the motorcycle and within about 3 to 5 seconds identified himself as a state police officer. sorry [expletive Deleted] stupid [expletive Deleted]'s like this motorcycle rider kill their [expletive Deleted] selves and murder or seriously injure innocent people every day by doing these impromptu stunt shows on public [expletive Deleted] highways all the time. My father was an experienced rider and instructed other riders in parade routines... therefore i have ZERO respect for those who take these machines out and purposefully endanger themselves and others (same goes for those in vehicles) if you ask me he should have his [expletive Deleted] locked up, his bike remanded to state custody and sold at auction, and his his driver's license suspended for a period of 18 months minimum. dumb [expletive Deleted] __________________

08-09-10, 04:02 PM	#16
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	IMO the only thing that cop did wrong, was not having his badge visible while making the stop. If he was following the motorcyclist, and had made the decision to stop the guy on the bike, then he should have moved his badge/photo identification to a visible location on his person. Even if he had to hold it in his left hand as he drew his weapon with his right. (however, they're probably trained to use both hands when handling their sidearm for the best possible control of it, Only time ive ever seen a cop on video hold a sidearm with one hand was when he was putting it away) As for the gun, he brandished the weapon, and clearly had it ready in case he needed it, (having it out was probably a matter of procedure given how fast the motorcyclist was travelling, that kind of speeding is a serious offense) but at no time did he point it at the guy on the motorcycle. edit: Ill also note that once the stop was made, and the motorcyclist compliant, he holstered the weapon as it was no longer needed.

08-09-10, 05:45 PM	#22
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	On a related subject: Proposed Law Would Put Video Cameras In Cars I doubt it'll pass, but it figures california would try it first.

08-09-10, 07:01 PM	#26
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,377 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Also, at the very end of the video, is there not a marked police car right behind the motorcycle with an officer/trooper standing by? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-09-10, 07:05 PM	#27
The Third Man Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Wasn't this a google thing? Who gives a rat's behind? Us new guys are tired of being treated poorly so I'm giving it back.

08-09-10, 07:38 PM	#29
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	simple fact of the matter is that these D-Bags are all over the road doing all kinds of stupid stuff all the time, and if i were within my right to hop out of my car with a firearm it would happen two or three times a week. Im sure the cops get tired of scooping these biker kids off the road with little spoons. __________________

08-09-10, 07:44 PM	#30
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,377 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I have to admit that after seeing that video, my sympathy for the rider went down a lot. He was not driving in a responsible way, and surely gives legitimate riders a bad name. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.