District court judge rules in favor of phony war heroes - Page 2

Ducimus · 07-21-10, 04:36 PM

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Well you could always ask to see a copy of the persons DD214. If they say they don't have one/never got one/"what's that?" they're a fraud.

Or talk "shop" with them for a few minutes. There's certain terms, slang, and such that are handed down from one generation of GI's to the next. Things you wouldn't know unless you lived the life.

If i mention things like CONUS, DD Form ID10T, FIGMO, PCA, PCS, hand recipts, GSA, GOV, AFSC, MOS, the bennfits of blousing straps verses bands, GP Medium, TEMPER tent, Hardback, etc.... and if he doesn't know what im talking about, something isn't right.

Sailor Steve · 07-21-10, 05:09 PM

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I think the guys doing this are indeed disgusting scumbags, don't get me wrong. I'm just not sure about with what basis a reasonable charge could be made.

It's sorta like burning a flag. I think it's a disgusting thing to do, but I also don't think it's the government's business if that's how some jackass wants to "express himself."

I think it would probably be illegal to impersonate an active member of the military, but claiming past service? Isn't it enough that the bulk of the US population would be disgusted with them if they were exposed?

While I really hate to say it, this is my exact feeling on this. None of this actually brings harm to another person, which the only reason laws should be passed.

Platapus · 07-21-10, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

I think the guys doing this are indeed disgusting scumbags, don't get me wrong. I'm just not sure about with what basis a reasonable charge could be made.

It's sorta like burning a flag. I think it's a disgusting thing to do, but I also don't think it's the government's business if that's how some jackass wants to "express himself."

I think it would probably be illegal to impersonate an active member of the military, but claiming past service? Isn't it enough that the bulk of the US population would be disgusted with them if they were exposed?

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While I really hate to say it, this is my exact feeling on this. None of this actually brings harm to another person, which the only reason laws should be passed.

You can add me to this list also. Just because I find something morally offensive does not mean that it should be illegal. Besides if a person is trying to defraud someone by wearing the medals, the current fraud statutes would still apply. But to have a law that prohibits the wearing of an object is unnecessary.

How about actors or people conducting reenactments? Arrest them? I don't think so. We have plenty of laws concerning fraud to protect us.

August · 07-21-10, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

but it shoulndt prohibit people like me...

what I hoped to do is build my grandfather a flag case, inside this flag case would be a folded flag, and a Bronze Star, ww2 service medal and a few other things... but not now

Why not? I don't believe that the law prohibits a person from doing this.

August · 07-21-10, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

the bennfits of blousing straps verses bands

Cool, a trick question. Real combat Soldiers tuck their fatigues into their combat boots as prescribed by Army regulations, only a poser or a REMF would ever try to promote one type of blousing rubber over another!

TLAM Strike · 07-21-10, 07:56 PM

Isn't impersonating a US Military Officer or Enlisted person a federal crime?

Ducimus · 07-21-10, 07:56 PM

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Cool, a trick question. Real combat Soldiers tuck their fatigues into their combat boots as prescribed by Army regulations, only a poser or a REMF would ever try to promote one type of blousing rubber over another!

Nice catch.

Yeah i found out the hard way about that. They don't teach you that in the AF, and the bastards issued me a pair of paints too short , so i couldn't tuck my pant legs into my boots. I ended up with a BAD BAD case of chiggers after a few weeks in Guatamala. My legs had the texture of a strawberry. Took a few months for it to clear up.

Ordianrly though, from an engineer standpoint, up an down ladders, and in/out of heavy equipment, bending, kneeling, stooping. lifting, etc. Two straps per leg worked best if you weren't boot tucking. Espeically when on an AF base stateside, and you get Mr PME telling you your out of 35-10. Nothing quite like running a skill saw ripping some plywood, and have Mr PME in his cardboard BDU's run up on your job site telling you your cover is on incorrectly. Overseas, nobody cared much.

GoldenRivet · 07-21-10, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Why not? I don't believe that the law prohibits a person from doing this.

I clearly expressed my desire to do this once - to the annoyance and protest of those who kept pointing to the law... so i dismissed my desire to do such a thing.

I used to get catalogs filled with various US Military medal replicas which could be used for such purposes as flag cases etc.

now you cant buy them anywhere without someone crawling your ass over this stolen valor law.

His original medals were given by him to his mother after the war, she kept them for a time, and it can only be assumed what happened to them after her death... so i dont have his original medals... i would be required to buy medals. (or replicas - which AFIK you cant do now)

ETR3(SS) · 07-21-10, 08:40 PM

Something to look into GR, try to get a copy of your grandfathers DD 214 from the National Archives. Once you have that there is a way to obtain his medals again from the government (VA I believe). There's nothing wrong with wanting to buy the medals for what you're doing btw, so don't feel one bit guilty.

GoldenRivet · 07-21-10, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Something to look into GR, try to get a copy of your grandfathers DD 214 from the National Archives.

I have access to the originals.

Ill check into that. Can i get replacements due to the face that his papers show it?

thanks for any info

07-21-10, 09:49 PM

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Can i get replacements due to the face that his papers show it?

Yes but you will have to pay and wait, put his details and your request on an SF180 and send it to the branch he served in.

August · 07-21-10, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I clearly expressed my desire to do this once - to the annoyance and protest of those who kept pointing to the law... so i dismissed my desire to do such a thing.

I used to get catalogs filled with various US Military medal replicas which could be used for such purposes as flag cases etc.

now you cant buy them anywhere without someone crawling your ass over this stolen valor law.

His original medals were given by him to his mother after the war, she kept them for a time, and it can only be assumed what happened to them after her death... so i dont have his original medals... i would be required to buy medals. (or replicas - which AFIK you cant do now)

I don't know who these people you're talking about but i'd bet any Army/Navy store could get you what you need to do this and they wouldn't have a problem once you mention your reasons.
Besides it's not like you could pose as a WW2 vet unless you're in your 80's.

Sailor Steve · 07-21-10, 10:44 PM

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How about actors or people conducting reenactments? Arrest them?

YEAH! That dirty McBee is still trying to pass himself off as a genuine Civil War vet! We real ones won't put up with that!

(Thought I'd beat him to the punch this time)

UnderseaLcpl · 07-21-10, 11:36 PM

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Cool, a trick question. Real combat Soldiers tuck their fatigues into their combat boots as prescribed by Army regulations, only a poser or a REMF would ever try to promote one type of blousing rubber over another!

Either that or they're a Marine who understands that just because you're in the field doesn't mean you have an excuse to sully the uniform by tucking it into your boots......on pain of pain. You use your bootbands and if they get lost or snagged on something and break you had damn well better have some spares and if you don't your buddy better have some or you are up a creek. There are no unsecured chinstraps, no dirty goggles, no flak jackets that don't fit (you better make yourself bigger or smaller!

) and absolutely NO dirty weapons! If your weapon is dirty, you had damn well better be firing it or actively engaged in another task that requires your undivided attention.

Damn I wish I'd joined the army, instead.

GoldenRivet · 07-22-10, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by August

I don't know who these people you're talking about but

It wasn't anyone here.

This was a "live" conversation.

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i'd bet any Army/Navy store could get you what you need to do this and they wouldn't have a problem once you mention your reasons.

I'll look into that thanks!

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Besides it's not like you could pose as a WW2 vet unless you're in your 80's.

maybe in another 49 years

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ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	Something to look into GR, try to get a copy of your grandfathers DD 214 from the National Archives. Once you have that there is a way to obtain his medals again from the government (VA I believe). There's nothing wrong with wanting to buy the medals for what you're doing btw, so don't feel one bit guilty. __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine.