The President has a new enemy... - Page 2

krashkart · 06-23-10, 06:52 AM

^^ Thank you. A breath of fresh air.

06-23-10, 07:33 AM

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If there is a disagreement between states and the federal government, we don't take up arms (as has been suggested in this forum).

But Obama is going to bring in martial law, cancel elections, open the borders and going to force all hispanics to vote for him in canceled elections under martial law that might also be sharia law as he is foriegn and a muslim as well as being a traitor and a communist who is under big business and the global media conspiracy...so really there is no choice but to take up arms

August · 06-23-10, 07:36 AM

I would note that despite threats made to foreign governments, as of yet the Federal government has not sued Arizona. Personally I think they won't lest they get defeated.

06-23-10, 07:54 AM

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I would note that despite threats made to foreign governments

What threats to foreign governments?

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as of yet the Federal government has not sued Arizona

As of yet???????regarding a law that is not yet in force where the its a case of apply pressure and wait and see how much more they will rewrite it to try and avoid the inevitable law suits.
Yet????? then attempt to impliment it in a way which doesn't violate the constitution and national supremacy.

As of yet?????? The State legislature hasn't even worked out how to train its law enforcement personel to try and apply the upcoming law without running into a constitutional mess.
So as of yet as the law isn't fully enacted and hasn't been applied the US cannot sue on grounds of discrimination of civil rights commited under execution of that law because there are not any until the State tries to use that law.

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Personally I think they won't lest they get defeated.

On what grounds?
Its only gonna take one citizen of hispanic descent to bring Arizonss tough posturing crashing down on the States finances.

tater · 06-23-10, 08:25 AM

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9d_1277233003

McCarthy (prosecutor of the 1993 Trade Center bombing) says that the best critique of this law could well be that it makes it HARDER for AZ to enforce existing law since it is more restrictive than federal law on law enforcement.

SteamWake · 06-23-10, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

If the Arizona is so sure its law is constitutional, why is Arizona concerned about getting sued by the Federal Government?

If people on this forum are also convinced that the Arizona law is constitutional, why get upset if it is challenged.

Let the case go to trial and let the judicial system decide. That's how things are SUPPOSED to work in this country.

If there is a disagreement between states and the federal government, we don't take up arms (as has been suggested in this forum). Civilized governments bring their disagreements to the judicial system and each side is allowed to present their case. No violence, no rioting

People get spun up here way too easy.

So a state enacts a law to allow them to enforce the Federal law and the Fed's seek to sue them over it.. yes... makes perfect sense to me.

tater · 06-23-10, 08:57 AM

I'm not concerned about the federal lawsuit, it's just that it is a waste of money, and shows that the feds would rather spend money to fight enforcement of federal laws than to enforce them. It's not concern, it's anger at priorities.

The Dept. of Labor is now spending our tax dollars to pay for ads to tell illegals that the Dept. of Labor will fight for their right to get paid "every cent they deserve" for work. Again, the feds are going to spend money and effort to hunt down employers—and make them give illegals a raise! The dept. of labor should be taking the employers to jail for hiring illegals, and coming in with INS to deport the workers.

It's pure insanity. Boggles the mind.

Task Force · 06-23-10, 08:59 AM

Hmm. Im guessing this is that change he was talking about.

Weiss Pinguin · 06-23-10, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

Hmm. Im guessing this is that change he was talking about.

Any change is good change right?

GoldenRivet · 06-23-10, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

But Obama is going to bring in martial law, cancel elections, open the borders and going to force all hispanics to vote for him in canceled elections under martial law that might also be sharia law as he is foriegn and a muslim as well as being a traitor and a communist who is under big business and the global media conspiracy...so really there is no choice but to take up arms

uhh, are you insane?

No... hes not. I already posted an article explaining about ten reasons he cant do this

@ platapus... its not about the state worrying about whether or not its law is unconstitutional - its about being informed of the suit by a foreign news service.

this president doesn't even have the decency to communicate the suit to the state by normal means before breaking it to .... ECUADOR.

nikimcbee · 06-23-10, 11:32 AM

Darth Hillary will take on those waskally Arizonans

nikimcbee · 06-23-10, 11:38 AM

When I first read the title, I thought it was going to be about how HRC might run in 2012.

Weiss Pinguin · 06-23-10, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

When I first read the title, I thought it was going to be about how HRC might run in 2012.

06-23-10, 01:16 PM

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uhh, are you insane?

Just having a wingnut moment

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its not about the state worrying about whether or not its law is unconstitutional - its about being informed of the suit by a foreign news service.

It was in the news that the State law would be challenged by the United States at the time the bill was passed, it was very widely covered so its bull to claim that this report from Equador is the first time they have been informed of what is going to happen.

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So a state enacts a law to allow them to enforce the Federal law

No a State passed a State law, after the penalties for violating the State law have been fully served(which is not likely to happen) then the federal government steps in and enforces federal law (which isn't going to happen as besides the legal technicalities regarding the constitutionality of the State enforcement there is also the issue that Arizona will never be able to hand over any illegals to anyone due to its own silly law)

tater · 06-23-10, 01:27 PM

If it scares illegals out of AZ, AZ wins. Illegals are a HUGE problem for AZ.

The coverage that makes the law seem draconian actually helps AZ.

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krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	^^ Thank you. A breath of fresh air. __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would note that despite threats made to foreign governments, as of yet the Federal government has not sued Arizona. Personally I think they won't lest they get defeated. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Hmm. Im guessing this is that change he was talking about. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Darth Hillary will take on those waskally Arizonans __________________

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	When I first read the title, I thought it was going to be about how HRC might run in 2012. __________________

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9d_1277233003 McCarthy (prosecutor of the 1993 Trade Center bombing) says that the best critique of this law could well be that it makes it HARDER for AZ to enforce existing law since it is more restrictive than federal law on law enforcement.

06-23-10, 08:57 AM	#22
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I'm not concerned about the federal lawsuit, it's just that it is a waste of money, and shows that the feds would rather spend money to fight enforcement of federal laws than to enforce them. It's not concern, it's anger at priorities. The Dept. of Labor is now spending our tax dollars to pay for ads to tell illegals that the Dept. of Labor will fight for their right to get paid "every cent they deserve" for work. Again, the feds are going to spend money and effort to hunt down employers—and make them give illegals a raise! The dept. of labor should be taking the employers to jail for hiring illegals, and coming in with INS to deport the workers. It's pure insanity. Boggles the mind.

06-23-10, 01:27 PM	#30
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	If it scares illegals out of AZ, AZ wins. Illegals are a HUGE problem for AZ. The coverage that makes the law seem draconian actually helps AZ.