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Old 06-10-10, 10:44 AM   #16
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The best tank in the world is one that kills the enemy and keeps you alive.
The best tank in the world is the one that spends its life in storage and never gets used in aggression.

but since thats a fantasy... you are technically correct.

but - i'll take one of these over a tank any day of the week
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Old 06-10-10, 10:46 AM   #17
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but - i'll take one of these over a tank any day of the week
I think Tom Clancy once said: "You know what they call 10,000 tanks in the Air Force? Targets..."
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Old 06-10-10, 10:48 AM   #18
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but - i'll take one of these over a tank any day of the week
GR, that thing is a tank!
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Old 06-10-10, 10:54 AM   #19
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GR, that thing is a tank!


GAU-8 all the way baby
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Old 06-10-10, 11:05 AM   #20
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GAU-8 all the way baby
Seriously, you'd think someone would've designed a tank or AFV around this monster already

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Old 06-10-10, 11:07 AM   #21
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hard to say, officially top speed cross-country is:

M1A2- 48 km
T90s- 45 km
CR2- 40 km

but they may be deliberately misrepresenting their capabilities for security purposes.

max speed does not really mean anything on a tactical level, a tanker will never go fast over rough terrain and run the risk of bogging or throwing a track unless he has no other choice.

Here is a good site for general non-classified info on modern tanks:

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/main.html

Cool site
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Old 06-10-10, 11:08 AM   #22
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GAU-8 all the way baby
The all time #1 killer of tanks....
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Old 06-10-10, 12:16 PM   #23
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One should also not count out Russian equipment simply because 'It's Russian'.

When the wall fell the Bundeswehr found themselves in an interesting position of having Soviet and Western kit in their hands and were able to put them both to the test, with some surprising results.



Like Skybird said, never take your opponent for granted, even if you think they may be less lethal, always treat them with respect or you will be nastily surprised.
In Finnish terrain tanks will never have large scale battles and even an T-72 can be useful.
The Finnish army retired them for Leopards but still has some modernized T-55s in use that usually beat the T-72s in wargames.
The first shot was faster and more accurate usually.

The IFVs are useful in our terrain and i think that when wisely used the BMB-3 and BTR-90 would be very dangerous machines.
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Old 06-10-10, 02:58 PM   #24
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...When the wall fell the Bundeswehr found themselves in an interesting position of having Soviet and Western kit in their hands ...
Side-note: I have read an article about how Israel and Germany have been cooperating on a secret service level (nothing the public needed to know about) for some decades when it comes to military technology.

Both nations were facing the same challenge at the same time: they had to build up their armies from the scratch against Soviet weapon technology.

So they exchanged their knowledge. When Israel captured Soviet weapons in wars against its neighbours who had Soviet weapon technology, they let German military experts take a look at it. And when Germany had a chance to put its hands on Soviet weapon technology e.g after the re-unifcation, the whole NVA, Nationale Volksarmee, the East-German army, it gave some of the **** to Israel for testing purposes.
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Old 06-10-10, 03:11 PM   #25
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Further to Oberons link, is the CR2 the fastest over rough terrain?
Like Bilge Rat said, a tank will hardly take the risk of travellimng at max speed over rugged terrain.

However, consider that the M1, Leo-2 and Chally-2 all are of comparable weight that they must move. But the Chally's engine has 1200, that of the Leopard 2 and the turbine of the Abrams produce 1500 HP. that's 20% less power for a tank of the same weight - hard to imagine that it could travel as fast as the other two.

most times I picked a read on tanks somewhere, they say that the Leopard has the slightly faster top speed than the Abrams, but that the Abrams has slightly faster acceleration. It also is often said that these differences are so minor only that they hardly are of more than theoretical interest. Obviosuly armour sets attached to the tank additonally also make a difference (in weight).

How fast the gears switch, the gear's robustness and how easy it is for the driver to switch between forward and reverse, I would rate of higher importance - when the tank is dug in and typically moves forward to fire from an elevated position, than dives back in reverse to achieve fully covered position during reload (so deep then that the gun can't fire), and then jumps forward again to fire. This sequences lasts just seconds, and in a heavy tank engagement these seconds really could make the difference between life and death. As long as the tank is not ready to fire, it tries to duck down. Onyl when it is ready to fire, it exposes itself a bit more.

You can nicely simulate this difference in SBP. It is an important behaviour, and thus they made big efforts to correctly simulate it. It has saved me so very often from being directly hit, when their projectiles reached my position the moment the tank was fully hull down and reloading. As often i have been killed when the projectiles reached my position while I just was firing in the same position, more part of the turret exposed to clear the gun.
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Old 06-10-10, 03:27 PM   #26
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You say you want a badass tank huh ?

Just build it around this

:http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...ed=0CCUQ9QEwBQ


Just the looks of it would scare the Bejeezus out of anyone.
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Old 06-10-10, 03:28 PM   #27
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You say you want a badass tank huh ?

Just build it around this

:http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...ed=0CCUQ9QEwBQ


Just the looks of it would scare the Bejeezus out of anyone.

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Old 06-10-10, 03:38 PM   #29
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I see your hypothetical tanks and raise you one Obyekt 279!




Actually it's not all that big, but it still looks like it should be manned by bear cavalry.
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