Obama rips pending Arizona immigrant law ! (politics) - Page 2

AVGWarhawk · 04-27-10, 08:16 AM

Yes sir, everyone hates the new law but it is all good to have guns and drugs running into the country. Folks being killed over it and more people on the rolls for free goodies. It's all good because well, these illegals have rights....at least their protest signs say that...no wait, protesting legally under the law but being illegal all the same. Gosh life is good......

tater · 04-27-10, 08:27 AM

The border drug wars are unreal right now. And I do mean wars. Thousands have been murdered.

Mexico does less than nothing, they in fact aid people coming across illegally.

I have no problem with legal immigration from Mexico. I know many people from Mexico. My best friend's mom lives in the DF.

The perfect solution would be, IMHO:

1. Harshly penalize hiring illegals nationwide.

2. Lock the border shut by whatever means required. Shoot to kill a few times if a wall is not practical, ideally some drug runners—publish the Apache guncam videos on youtube, create a "chilling effect." (should be possible, they sometimes have running gun battles with rivals on the border after all)

3. Let FAR more people in legally. Some with a path to citizenship, along with an expansive guest worker program. Give a test in english, and the better you do, the closer tot he front of the line you get to be.

4. Require illegals here now to leave the US and come in legally to have any status—remember, this is combined with #3, so far more get in (long term illegals here speak english at some level, so they go to the front of the line).

I really have no problem with enforcing the law. Illegals are by definition criminals, and any time they interact with the government, they should have to prove identity or get booted.

AVGWarhawk · 04-27-10, 08:29 AM

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Mexico does less than nothing, they in fact aid people coming across illegally.

Yep, watched in on the news today.

tater · 04-27-10, 08:36 AM

The Mexican government publishes pamphlets with instructions on how to safely sneak across the border that they give away. They do nothing at all to prevent people from starting to cross on their side.

Can't wait to see more outraged posts by people in other countries, or who don't experience the problems of a border State.

Illegals cost the US many billions of dollars. Even if legal, they don't even pay their fair share of taxes (a per capita fair share being the budget divided by the population—any family not paying maybe 12 grand a head per year is a net loss, which is fine for citizens, but not fine for people wanting to come in.

04-27-10, 08:37 AM

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Why is it not okay to build a fence to keep the illegals out of the US

Surely the question is..... Do fences work?

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but it is also not ok to take steps to remove the illegal immigrants from your country?

The problem with the legislation in question is that it isn't going to work, is going to cost a fortune and infringes heavily on the rights of US citizens.

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With the average cost of a boat fare around $10,000 per person, how can they be seen as a genuine, desperate refugee by anyone?

How much did it cost to get smuggled out of Nazi Germany?

AVGWarhawk · 04-27-10, 08:39 AM

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Can't wait to see more outraged posts by people in other countries, or who don't experience the problems of a border State.

Like I said tater, the world sees drugs, guns, killings and a system already brimming with issues as we are experiencing on our borders as ok.

04-27-10, 08:41 AM

Tater, some of your points there in your solution are very good.

AVGWarhawk · 04-27-10, 08:45 AM

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Surely the question is..... Do fences work?

Patrolled, electrified with barbwire is a great start to see if they work. Place some mines also. Why not go full bore? Plus, it give folks jobs. That's what the Obama administration is all about

No wait....

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The problem with the legislation in question is that it isn't going to work, is going to cost a fortune and infringes heavily on the rights of US citizens.

May not work but it sure the hell woke the country up to what is happening in AZ. No? When do we say as a country that enough is enough? Plus, bring this issue to the table during the mid term elections....it will get ugly for some.

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How much did it cost to get smuggled out of Nazi Germany?

What does Germany have to do with this?

SteamWake · 04-27-10, 08:59 AM

One thing I dont get.. if I understand it correctly Arizona is simply adopting the federal law on a state level seeing as the Fed's do not enforce their law. Now Arizona may enforce the law on a state level and try to do something about the conditions there finally.

So why all the fuss?

AVGWarhawk · 04-27-10, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

One thing I dont get.. if I understand it correctly Arizona is simply adopting the federal law on a state level seeing as the Fed's do not enforce their law. Now Arizona may enforce the law on a state level and try to do something about the conditions there finally.

So why all the fuss?

Because it is against human rights!!! Everyone should be able to run amuck killing and dealing drugs! After all, raping and pillaging is a human right.

04-27-10, 09:28 AM

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Because it is against human rights!!! Everyone should be able to run amuck killing and dealing drugs! After all, raping and pillaging is a human right.

So you are unable to address the issue

AVGWarhawk · 04-27-10, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

So you are unable to address the issue

Me specifially? No sir. This is why we pay taxes like we do. It is supposed to be handled at a Federal and local level. But when the powers that be start enforcing the law everyone(the world) complains like a baby who had it's lollipop taken away. So what is the point of your question?

04-27-10, 10:10 AM

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So what is the point of your question?

The point of the question is why did you write nonsense like.....

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Because it is against human rights!!! Everyone should be able to run amuck killing and dealing drugs! After all, raping and pillaging is a human right.

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But when the powers that be start enforcing the law everyone(the world) complains like a baby who had it's lollipop taken away.

Most people are complaining that the new legislation cannot work legally.

AVGWarhawk · 04-27-10, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

The point of the question is why did you write nonsense like.....

Most people are complaining that the new legislation cannot work legally.

Oh, raping and pillaging is nonsense....got it. Drugs, murder and other illegal activities such as raping and pillaging is nonsense...got it.

No, most people are complaining about human rights....Al Sharpton is heading to AZ to protest for human rights...not that this will not work. Recheck the complaint.

GoldenRivet · 04-27-10, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ivank

He is an idiot.
Illegal is ILLEGAL!!

correct.

One of the basic responsibilities of the United States Government is to protect national sovereignty through protection of our borders.

This is ONE MORE THING the US Government has failed at miserably...

guess they are too concerned with how much salt is in a bowl of Noodle soup and what kind of light bulbs people buy

The unrelenting march into the abyss continues

ever onward morons!

04-27-10, 08:16 AM	#16
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,274 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yes sir, everyone hates the new law but it is all good to have guns and drugs running into the country. Folks being killed over it and more people on the rolls for free goodies. It's all good because well, these illegals have rights....at least their protest signs say that...no wait, protesting legally under the law but being illegal all the same. Gosh life is good...... __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-27-10, 08:59 AM	#24
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	One thing I dont get.. if I understand it correctly Arizona is simply adopting the federal law on a state level seeing as the Fed's do not enforce their law. Now Arizona may enforce the law on a state level and try to do something about the conditions there finally. So why all the fuss? __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

04-27-10, 08:27 AM	#17
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The border drug wars are unreal right now. And I do mean wars. Thousands have been murdered. Mexico does less than nothing, they in fact aid people coming across illegally. I have no problem with legal immigration from Mexico. I know many people from Mexico. My best friend's mom lives in the DF. The perfect solution would be, IMHO: 1. Harshly penalize hiring illegals nationwide. 2. Lock the border shut by whatever means required. Shoot to kill a few times if a wall is not practical, ideally some drug runners—publish the Apache guncam videos on youtube, create a "chilling effect." (should be possible, they sometimes have running gun battles with rivals on the border after all) 3. Let FAR more people in legally. Some with a path to citizenship, along with an expansive guest worker program. Give a test in english, and the better you do, the closer tot he front of the line you get to be. 4. Require illegals here now to leave the US and come in legally to have any status—remember, this is combined with #3, so far more get in (long term illegals here speak english at some level, so they go to the front of the line). I really have no problem with enforcing the law. Illegals are by definition criminals, and any time they interact with the government, they should have to prove identity or get booted.

04-27-10, 08:36 AM	#19
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The Mexican government publishes pamphlets with instructions on how to safely sneak across the border that they give away. They do nothing at all to prevent people from starting to cross on their side. Can't wait to see more outraged posts by people in other countries, or who don't experience the problems of a border State. Illegals cost the US many billions of dollars. Even if legal, they don't even pay their fair share of taxes (a per capita fair share being the budget divided by the population—any family not paying maybe 12 grand a head per year is a net loss, which is fine for citizens, but not fine for people wanting to come in.

04-27-10, 08:41 AM	#22
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Tater, some of your points there in your solution are very good.