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mcarlsonus · 04-10-10, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveGoat

So when is the Navy releasing an AI patch?

Hallelujah, brother!! Gettin' there, ain't it?!!!

Westbroek · 04-11-10, 12:48 AM

I was hoping this story was false. I really can't believe the details of the story...could those operating a nuclear submarine really be allowed to listen to ipods? That's so disturbing.

SloppyMk27 · 04-11-10, 01:10 AM

I know this is an obvious be I feel the need to vent. There is nothing funny about this at all. This is a embarrassment to the U.S. Navy. What happened to the chain of command? and proper order?? Things like this should never happen ever. I sure hope they clamp down on rules and regulations for operation. Things like this shake one's confidence in their military and we can't have that.

mcarlsonus · 04-11-10, 01:26 AM

it's an embarrasment once, but when it happens multiple times (see my previous post) in this era of massively capable navigation and passive sonar aids, it's a FIASCO!

kiwi_2005 · 04-11-10, 05:50 AM

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A US nuclear sub rammed another ship causing nearly £60MILLION damage - while its navigator was listening to his iPod.

They allow Ipods on subs

Crazy. What about txting suppose that's allowed...

mcarlsonus · 04-11-10, 07:32 AM

If you're speaking of, "texting" via a wireless device, no there's none of that. A patrolling nuke has only limited contact with the outside world and that's in the form of one-way very low frequency short, SLOW messages that, "boom" through the earth to a submerged submarine. Other, "FamilyGrams." Again, short messages that are conveyed on a regular basis between crew and (obviously) family at home - not really two-way either. Sub comes to a certain depth, trails out a wire, and transmission begins and ends RAPIDLY! In short, without coming to the surface, there's no two-way communication. They did try something in 2008 that allowed duplex, but it had something to do with a floating transponder. I've no idea what happened to that, but, I keep thinking of one of the major reasons, "shnorkels" failed, then consider what modern tracking devices can do...and shudder.

Let's be fair here, folks! There's nothing inherently wrong with having an iPod on a sub - as long as one's not using it while on duty!

Apache312 · 04-11-10, 08:16 AM

What a commander. Pleasure cruising on a nuke. Where was the Chief of the Watch? Im not knowledgeable about SOP's of an underway boat, but isnt constant reporting from sonar a part of that? And is there only 1 sonarman on duty? For that matter, shouldnt a proximity alarm have sounded?

Any insight would be educational.

/S

Apache312

msxyz · 04-11-10, 10:12 AM

To think I believed that "Operation Petticoat" was a work of pure fiction

mcarlsonus · 04-11-10, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Apache312

What a commander. Pleasure cruising on a nuke. Where was the Chief of the Watch? Im not knowledgeable about SOP's of an underway boat, but isnt constant reporting from sonar a part of that? And is there only 1 sonarman on duty? For that matter, shouldnt a proximity alarm have sounded?

Any insight would be educational.

/S

Apache312

There's no proximity alarm. It's SOP to (a) listen real HARD and then (b) pop up an amount sufficient to get the 'scope up and have a good look-see all around before surfacing. I simply CAN'T believe a claim that ANY on-duty person of ANY stripe aboard a boomer or fast attack could be using an iPod while monitoring ANYTHING ! ESPECIALLY when emerging from the briny deep! Could ANYONE incompetent enough to have allowed, or ignored, behavior this egregious have reached Command Rank? Yeah - maybe in the Vietnam era when BAD help was hard to find, but NOW?

You know, recently the US Navy extinguished the smoking lamp permanently in the boats. EVERYBODY used to smoke - it was just something ELSE to do during one's 12 hours off every 18 hour day! Maybe the crew were going though nicotine withdrawal...

Let me just add that before Russia bought Toshiba-Kongsberg quiet prop technology in 1987, it was routine to track their fast Alfas from 150 miles out. Even back then, the "ears" were terrific! This tended to negate the Alfa's speed advantage. If they had the pedal to the metal, 41 kts., it was simply easier to hear them farther out.

Won't look OUT the window, but you can't HEAR anything? Unbelievable!

McHub532 · 04-11-10, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

They allow Ipods on subs

Crazy. What about txting suppose that's allowed...

Depends on the State you are diving in. Some States don't allow texting while at the diving planes of a sub (snort/laugh).

04-11-10, 12:48 AM	#17
Westbroek Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: LA Posts: 256 Downloads: 121 Uploads: 0	I was hoping this story was false. I really can't believe the details of the story...could those operating a nuclear submarine really be allowed to listen to ipods? That's so disturbing. __________________ .Godspeed.

04-11-10, 01:10 AM	#18
SloppyMk27 Mate Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 59 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 4	I know this is an obvious be I feel the need to vent. There is nothing funny about this at all. This is a embarrassment to the U.S. Navy. What happened to the chain of command? and proper order?? Things like this should never happen ever. I sure hope they clamp down on rules and regulations for operation. Things like this shake one's confidence in their military and we can't have that. Last edited by SloppyMk27; 04-11-10 at 01:29 AM.

04-11-10, 10:12 AM	#23
msxyz Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 218 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	To think I believed that "Operation Petticoat" was a work of pure fiction __________________ ...Sinking deeper into the cold, dark oceans of life

04-11-10, 01:26 AM	#19
mcarlsonus Weps Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 362 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	it's an embarrasment once, but when it happens multiple times (see my previous post) in this era of massively capable navigation and passive sonar aids, it's a FIASCO!

04-11-10, 07:32 AM	#21
mcarlsonus Weps Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 362 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	If you're speaking of, "texting" via a wireless device, no there's none of that. A patrolling nuke has only limited contact with the outside world and that's in the form of one-way very low frequency short, SLOW messages that, "boom" through the earth to a submerged submarine. Other, "FamilyGrams." Again, short messages that are conveyed on a regular basis between crew and (obviously) family at home - not really two-way either. Sub comes to a certain depth, trails out a wire, and transmission begins and ends RAPIDLY! In short, without coming to the surface, there's no two-way communication. They did try something in 2008 that allowed duplex, but it had something to do with a floating transponder. I've no idea what happened to that, but, I keep thinking of one of the major reasons, "shnorkels" failed, then consider what modern tracking devices can do...and shudder. Let's be fair here, folks! There's nothing inherently wrong with having an iPod on a sub - as long as one's not using it while on duty!

04-11-10, 08:16 AM	#22
Apache312 A-ganger Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 78 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	What a commander. Pleasure cruising on a nuke. Where was the Chief of the Watch? Im not knowledgeable about SOP's of an underway boat, but isnt constant reporting from sonar a part of that? And is there only 1 sonarman on duty? For that matter, shouldnt a proximity alarm have sounded? Any insight would be educational. /S Apache312