One iPod, one submarine= $96 million damage!

[Platapus]

Although I am a land lubber, It is my understanding that the Navy takes a dim view of ships bumping into each other.

[Aramike]

Certainly seems like incompetence from the skipper...

...however, I don't understand why the navigator's being slammed so hard. Surely he's allowed to be off-duty on occasion.

[bookworm_020]

If I have to be dressed in uniform to drive my $40 million dollar train around, they can at least keep their shoes on driving a billion dollar plus sub around!

[diver]

Originally Posted by Aramike

...however, I don't understand why the navigator's being slammed so hard. Surely he's allowed to be off-duty on occasion.

Exactly my thoughts, depending on the tactical environment I see no problem with the man listening to music in his cabin whilst doing some professional study.

Wildly sensational reporting that really has not highlighted the key factors.

Mind you the Sun have a history of unprofessional journalism, especially when it comes to submarines.

[perisher]

Originally Posted by diver

Exactly my thoughts, depending on the tactical environment I see no problem with the man listening to music in his cabin whilst doing some professional study.

Wildly sensational reporting that really has not highlighted the key factors.

Mind you the Sun have a history of unprofessional journalism, especially when it comes to submarines.

In any British newspaper you can believe that a reported story really did happened, but in some newspapers the detail is often pure invention.


"A spokesman for the Fifth Fleet, Lieutenant Nathan Christensen, said, "It was a night-time event and the submarine was submerged at the time." (Wikinews)


The New Orleans draws 23 feet, so the Hartford wasn't very submerged. A serious problem with her depth keeping, by the look of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Har...eans_collision

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

If I have to be dressed in uniform to drive my $40 million dollar train around, they can at least keep their shoes on driving a billion dollar plus sub around!

Bare feet are quieter that feet in shoes... Ever see a Ninja in combat boots?

[CaptainHaplo]

The issue of the navigator - was he on duty at the time? There should be - at all times - someone somewhat qualified in naval navigation in the control room or near enough to be useful. I know in US subs they use an inertial navigation system as a backup, so perhaps the on duty person simply had to have specific qualifications?

We don't have enough detail to know whether slamming the navigator is proper or not. However, the on duty sonar team (and its more than one surely) should be heavily dealt with if they (as a group) were not at their station. Its important to remember though that one guy out of the group not there is acceptable - the sonar lead may have cleared him to the head or something.

The devil is in the details - which we don't have.

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by perisher

In any British newspaper you can believe that a reported story really did happened, but in some newspapers the detail is often pure invention.


"A spokesman for the Fifth Fleet, Lieutenant Nathan Christensen, said, "It was a night-time event and the submarine was submerged at the time." (Wikinews)


The New Orleans draws 23 feet, so the Hartford wasn't very submerged. A serious problem with her depth keeping, by the look of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Har...eans_collision

The Hartford was at periscope depth at the time, hence the damage to her sail. I can't recall exactly what PD is for a 688(i) but I think it's somewhere in the order of 65ft. That puts her well into the danger zone for the New Orleans.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Bare feet are quieter that feet in shoes... Ever see a Ninja in combat boots?

That's why we could wear sneakers and not our boots.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

The issue of the navigator - was he on duty at the time? There should be - at all times - someone somewhat qualified in naval navigation in the control room or near enough to be useful. I know in US subs they use an inertial navigation system as a backup, so perhaps the on duty person simply had to have specific qualifications?

We don't have enough detail to know whether slamming the navigator is proper or not. However, the on duty sonar team (and its more than one surely) should be heavily dealt with if they (as a group) were not at their station. Its important to remember though that one guy out of the group not there is acceptable - the sonar lead may have cleared him to the head or something.

The devil is in the details - which we don't have.

In regards to the Nav being "off-duty" listening to his iPod, he was more than likely in the wrong. During any transit of the nature involved the Navigation Team (not the tech term I'm sure) is required to be stationed, that includes the Navigator. There is always a Quartermaster of the Watch on duty during normal operations. The Navigation Team comes into play when there's going to be a high volume of traffic and/or when there is a significant challenge posed to safe navigation of the ship.

That's about what I remember from the boat, but I was a Radioman not a Nav ET.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

That's why we could wear sneakers and not our boots.

^Look at the guy to the right nearest to the camera.

I showed this image to my dad once, he was in the Navy back in the 1970's (Aviation Store Keeper at Lamoore NAS). His reaction was: "The Chief would have my ass if he saw me wearing those!" I had to explain that on subs they have to flex the regulations a bit since sneakers are much quieter than normal shoes.

Oh and never show him a TV show where a sailor is outside and not wearing a hat, he will yell "Hay @$$hole where is your cover!?" at the TV screen.

[August]

I'm surprised the Navy doesn't issue some kind of sneaker like footwear for it's Sub crews. An old infantry axiom goes "Show me a man whose feet hurt and i'll show you a man who isn't paying full attention to his job".

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by August

I'm surprised the Navy doesn't issue some kind of sneaker like footwear for it's Sub crews. An old infantry axiom goes "Show me a man whose feet hurt and i'll show you a man who isn't paying full attention to his job".

Yea and spend $ 10 million on R&D, and have them produced for $100 a pair instead of buying $25 sneakers from Payless.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Yea and spend $ 10 million on R&D, and have them produced for $100 a pair instead of buying $25 sneakers from Payless.

Heh, too true ... except you'd think it'd be possible to find something already existing that makes sense.

[August]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Heh, too true ... except you'd think it'd be possible to find something already existing that makes sense.

Navy tested. Navy approved.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by August

Navy tested. Navy approved.

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by August

Navy tested. Navy approved.

Cool, you found my slippers!