[REQ] info on periscope graticule - Page 2

Hitman · 03-20-10, 03:21 AM

Invert the zoom order in cameras.dat and you'll get rid of the reticle. I.e. make the 6x the default zoom,and 1.5x the one you get when swtiching zoom. It worked for Sh3 and SH4 so I guess it should for Sh5.

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ps. Hitman check PM please

Replied yesterday already

I'm sorry I can't help further, but I don't have SH5

03-20-10, 03:32 AM

Hitman thanks for the answer Hitman - as said I understand your reasoning...

Can anyone tell me what [Gxx...] should be changed to change the graphics of the periscope mask?

Hitman gave permission to use his SH-3 graphics and they are, if you may excuse me, very difficult to pass on as they are the most realistic I have ever seen.

Not dissin your graphics Empguf they are great too, but Hitmans are just really really good.

Arclight · 03-20-10, 07:02 AM

You'll have to draw the markings on "Periscope_Mask_1024_SH5" in ..\Ubisoft\data\Menu\Skins\German\Gui\Layout

Guess you could scale Hitman's graphics to fit the the new mask, and then draw the marks on a new layer (kinda like papertracing, it's how I did the stock markings on mine). Once you have the marks drawn, remove the layer with Hitman's graphics, put the layer with the marks underneath the new mask, and merge those 2 layers.

I can give it a shot if you'd like, but shouldn't be too difficult.

Bilge_Rat · 03-20-10, 07:08 AM

I read the document Hitman prepared. It was most informative.

It will be great once we get this mod into the game. You can use the 6x zoom to identify the target and the 1.5x zoom to estimate range.

great work everyone.

Hitman · 03-20-10, 08:16 AM

Here is the file I have been using in my WIP SH3 GUI:

http://www.mediafire.com/?4nm2zjwg03l

Comes in a TGA with Alpha Channel and all. You just need to either A) program the menu.ini in a manner that the image is overlayed as a mask or B) Copy and paste it overthe existing background TGA.

Whatever you do, use the current ingame reticle to ensure that the size is correct. You can compare the space between marks in my reticle and the one in the game, and resize the viewhole so they match. Otherwise the reticle will be useless.

Once installed, you can use the vertical marks to get range to target using following formula:

Target Heigth / Scale X 1000 = Range

The horizontal reticle is in degrees, and most useful for calculating torpedo spreads. Simply count the number of marks the target subtends, and set that value in your Salvo dial.

Good hunting

Arclight · 03-20-10, 08:31 AM

Do we need to match up the horizontal or vertical scale to the stock one?

(3 similar ideas, and Hitman does all the work.

)

Hitman · 03-20-10, 09:33 AM

Horizontal. The game's reticle comes in degrees both horizontally and vertically. But my reticle has degrees only horizontally.

Put the crosshair above the game's one, so that the originall one is no longer seen, and simply:

1) Adjust the circle of the periscope to my reticle, so that the border of the black circle matches the curved form of the graticle in the exterior

2) Adjust Angularangle in cameras.dat until the game's reticle is horizontally the same size as mine (In 1.5x zoom)

3) Change the zoom settings so that 6x is by default, and 1.5x the one you get when switching

karamazovnew · 03-20-10, 09:50 AM

It's a bit harder than some think, because you need to combine 3 aspects:
1. the original marks are in degrees and they need to be outside the viewfinder
2. the periscope viewfinder doesn't take up the entire screen
3. the angular distance must somehow mimic the real periscope
Oh, and the miliradian marks should also take up a proportion of the viewfinder similar to the original ones.

I've already done all of this in KiUB. Camera settings, periscope marks and the periscope viefinder(hole). The marks are at a 1500x1500 resolution and they scale very well for lower resolutions. At 1600x1200 every pixel is displayed 1 to 1.
I've started from Hitman's layout but moved the horizontal scale above the center line because I liked to read horizontal and vertical size by moving the stadimeter image up. You can move it down in Photoshop in a minute.
Get the OMEGU Patch5, it has all the files you need and it's small. Just take the cameras.dat setting, the Ap_Marks.tga and the menu item itself, the alpha channel from the Periscope background image (Periscope_center.tga) and you're done.
To test it, place a few ships at 1000 meters and see if they line up ok at 1.5x zoom.
I advise against using any low resolution template done for SH3 because they'll look like crap at higher resolution.

03-20-10, 09:52 AM

Arclight if you do item #1

1) Adjust the circle of the periscope to my reticle, so that the border of the black circle matches the curved form of the graticle in the exterior.

Then ship it to me and ill do #2 and #3

2) Adjust Angularangle in cameras.dat until the game's reticle is horizontally the same size as mine (In 1.5x zoom)

3) Change the zoom settings so that 6x is by default, and 1.5x the one you get when switching

too me the last two items are a walk in the park while the first is next to impossible

Arclight · 03-20-10, 10:02 AM

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2) Adjust Angularangle in cameras.dat until the game's reticle is horizontally the same size as mine (In 1.5x zoom)

There's a snag: game's reticule disappears at anything over 1x zoom, so can't match it up to 1.5x zoom.

Took a different approach, but don't know if it works: scaled Hitman's markings to the game's markings, and incorporated it into the default mask. Should have the same reult, as the ratios between the marks stays the same.

Ready for JSGME, just requires a cameras.dat to be dropped in the Library folder and it's complete: http://www.filefront.com/15881329/Au...0for%20SH5.zip

I'll follow instruction #1 and provide another one, but it's gonna cut down the viewable area quite bit (that TGA is 500x500)

Arclight · 03-20-10, 10:35 AM

Here's dds according to that first instruction: http://www.filefront.com/15881717/Pe...k_1024_SH5.dds

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Adjust the circle of the periscope to my reticle, so that the border of the black circle matches the curved form of the graticle in the exterior.

emtguf · 03-20-10, 01:18 PM

Using Hitman's marks scaled, and redrawn do not seem to work in SH5.
I used his marks as a guide when makign my first version, but could never get distance measurements to work out. Ended up trying several different method to get the marks calibrated at 1.5x and ended up using several methods.

Unfortunatly not as simple as just copy/paste

Arclight · 03-20-10, 02:17 PM

It never is.

That's why I was asking for a way to calculate it, rather than the trial and error method.

Hitman · 03-20-10, 03:14 PM

I just downloaded your Periscope Mask Arclight, and it seems to me correctly done. Theoretically, all that is needed now is to adjust the cameras.dat based on what is rendered on screen ... shouldn't be difficult

Arclight · 03-20-10, 05:10 PM

Just timeconsuming.

Shouldn't it be possible to make it work when the marks are scaled up to fit the scope as well?

I mean, as long as the ratios between the marks remain the same, you should be able to find an angular field setting that works out properly. (I think)

03-20-10, 07:02 AM	#18
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	You'll have to draw the markings on "Periscope_Mask_1024_SH5" in ..\Ubisoft\data\Menu\Skins\German\Gui\Layout Guess you could scale Hitman's graphics to fit the the new mask, and then draw the marks on a new layer (kinda like papertracing, it's how I did the stock markings on mine). Once you have the marks drawn, remove the layer with Hitman's graphics, put the layer with the marks underneath the new mask, and merge those 2 layers. I can give it a shot if you'd like, but shouldn't be too difficult. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

03-20-10, 07:08 AM	#19
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	I read the document Hitman prepared. It was most informative. It will be great once we get this mod into the game. You can use the 6x zoom to identify the target and the 1.5x zoom to estimate range. great work everyone. __________________

03-20-10, 08:16 AM	#20
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	Here is the file I have been using in my WIP SH3 GUI: http://www.mediafire.com/?4nm2zjwg03l Comes in a TGA with Alpha Channel and all. You just need to either A) program the menu.ini in a manner that the image is overlayed as a mask or B) Copy and paste it overthe existing background TGA. Whatever you do, use the current ingame reticle to ensure that the size is correct. You can compare the space between marks in my reticle and the one in the game, and resize the viewhole so they match. Otherwise the reticle will be useless. Once installed, you can use the vertical marks to get range to target using following formula: Target Heigth / Scale X 1000 = Range The horizontal reticle is in degrees, and most useful for calculating torpedo spreads. Simply count the number of marks the target subtends, and set that value in your Salvo dial. Good hunting __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

03-20-10, 08:31 AM	#21
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Do we need to match up the horizontal or vertical scale to the stock one? (3 similar ideas, and Hitman does all the work. ) __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

03-20-10, 09:33 AM	#22
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	Horizontal. The game's reticle comes in degrees both horizontally and vertically. But my reticle has degrees only horizontally. Put the crosshair above the game's one, so that the originall one is no longer seen, and simply: 1) Adjust the circle of the periscope to my reticle, so that the border of the black circle matches the curved form of the graticle in the exterior 2) Adjust Angularangle in cameras.dat until the game's reticle is horizontally the same size as mine (In 1.5x zoom) 3) Change the zoom settings so that 6x is by default, and 1.5x the one you get when switching __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

03-20-10, 03:32 AM	#17
Mav87th Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Hitman thanks for the answer Hitman - as said I understand your reasoning... Can anyone tell me what [Gxx...] should be changed to change the graphics of the periscope mask? Hitman gave permission to use his SH-3 graphics and they are, if you may excuse me, very difficult to pass on as they are the most realistic I have ever seen. Not dissin your graphics Empguf they are great too, but Hitmans are just really really good.

03-20-10, 09:50 AM	#23
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	It's a bit harder than some think, because you need to combine 3 aspects: 1. the original marks are in degrees and they need to be outside the viewfinder 2. the periscope viewfinder doesn't take up the entire screen 3. the angular distance must somehow mimic the real periscope Oh, and the miliradian marks should also take up a proportion of the viewfinder similar to the original ones. I've already done all of this in KiUB. Camera settings, periscope marks and the periscope viefinder(hole). The marks are at a 1500x1500 resolution and they scale very well for lower resolutions. At 1600x1200 every pixel is displayed 1 to 1. I've started from Hitman's layout but moved the horizontal scale above the center line because I liked to read horizontal and vertical size by moving the stadimeter image up. You can move it down in Photoshop in a minute. Get the OMEGU Patch5, it has all the files you need and it's small. Just take the cameras.dat setting, the Ap_Marks.tga and the menu item itself, the alpha channel from the Periscope background image (Periscope_center.tga) and you're done. To test it, place a few ships at 1000 meters and see if they line up ok at 1.5x zoom. I advise against using any low resolution template done for SH3 because they'll look like crap at higher resolution.

03-20-10, 09:52 AM	#24
Mav87th Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Arclight if you do item #1 1) Adjust the circle of the periscope to my reticle, so that the border of the black circle matches the curved form of the graticle in the exterior. Then ship it to me and ill do #2 and #3 2) Adjust Angularangle in cameras.dat until the game's reticle is horizontally the same size as mine (In 1.5x zoom) 3) Change the zoom settings so that 6x is by default, and 1.5x the one you get when switching too me the last two items are a walk in the park while the first is next to impossible

03-20-10, 01:18 PM	#27
emtguf Machinist's Mate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 128 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 3	Using Hitman's marks scaled, and redrawn do not seem to work in SH5. I used his marks as a guide when makign my first version, but could never get distance measurements to work out. Ended up trying several different method to get the marks calibrated at 1.5x and ended up using several methods. Unfortunatly not as simple as just copy/paste

03-20-10, 02:17 PM	#28
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	It never is. That's why I was asking for a way to calculate it, rather than the trial and error method. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

03-20-10, 03:14 PM	#29
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	I just downloaded your Periscope Mask Arclight, and it seems to me correctly done. Theoretically, all that is needed now is to adjust the cameras.dat based on what is rendered on screen ... shouldn't be difficult __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

03-20-10, 05:10 PM	#30
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Just timeconsuming. Shouldn't it be possible to make it work when the marks are scaled up to fit the scope as well? I mean, as long as the ratios between the marks remain the same, you should be able to find an angular field setting that works out properly. (I think) __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.