Sad times if you're a sub simmer - Page 2

Bilge_Rat · 03-11-10, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbografx

Call Norm Koger at Storm Eagle Studios. Or the guys at Eagle Dynamics.

Mmm, mmm, Fidelity!

no market for sub sims, if there was, other companies would be producing them.

Sonalyst produced very realistic sub sims, "Sub Command" and "Dangerous Waters", no one bought them.

TDK1044, thank you for the post, had a good laugh over that one..

Jeevz · 03-11-10, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by himlaviz

Choose your game. Choose arcade . . . But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose arcade: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got simulation?

Brilliant!

Try to stay out of the Worst Toilet in Deutschland when you're back from patrol.

himlaviz · 03-11-10, 09:36 AM

I see SH5 as a long time investment, I hope for some patch to get the core game (as designed) to get fixed and bit polished by the devs and hope for a mod like GWX/NYGM to take SH5 even further when it comes to historical and realistic aspect of the game where the devs can't dig as deep due to a timescheduale and limited resources.

Sure maybe the patches wont fix the game, maybe there is no more patches (but I don't think so), either way I have lost $75 (d2d US site + VAT) for far less return value back on other happenings/things/stuff then what I already have had with Silent Hunter 5.

For the time being I am enjoying the stuff that works and learn how to play the game as it's designed and not SH3 v2.0.

Also have an idea for a mod for more interaction with the crew to talk to them for feedback of things that I feel is missing, like depth, do a full sweep, follow nearest contact and so on. Keep in the spirit of SH5 with interacting with the crew instead of or as a complement to key commands.

Like standing next to the sonar crewman and listen and asking him of updates while slowly trying to sneak away from a destroyer.

Iron Budokan · 03-11-10, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I was playing last night(no mods) and started my second patrol. I gave some experience points to my hydrophone man. He now will listen for ships. Before he would just say, "I can not do that right now." So, yeah, working your crew does help.

He will now listen for ships.

*Sigh*

Drifter · 03-11-10, 09:53 AM

SH5 is quickly becoming less and less arcadish. Check out my recent mod that removes all crew 'superpower' abilities.

http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164391

Commie · 03-11-10, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

no market for sub sims, if there was, other companies would be producing them.

Sonalyst produced very realistic sub sims, "Sub Command" and "Dangerous Waters", no one bought them.

Sonalysts make military grade sims, so marketing for mass exposure isn't really their thing, just as with eSIM games and their Steel Beasts. What you don't realise is that these games didn't seem to threaten the existance of the company, so they weren't a wasted investment. They sold enough to cover costs and make a bit. This is what i'm talking about: Sonalysts and eSIM didn't have a big publisher to promote their wares. UBI CAN promote SH, so even a half finished SH can be sold off as the greatest thing since sliced bread because there's no room for anyone else at the moment. If UBI buggers off to the console market, you'll see a new WW2 sub sim come cautiously into the light within a year or two.

IanC · 03-11-10, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Ubisoft is a company as much as your local barbershop, and they have the right to cater to the group they want, be it hardcore sim fans or Modern Warfare kiddies with thirty second attention spans.

It's more like Ubisoft is the only barbershop in town, and he keeps giving me bad, half finished hair cuts. So bad, I have to go home and have my wife fix it a little.
I'm just about ready to tell that barber to kiss my arse.

JamesT73J · 03-11-10, 10:10 AM

There's something missing in the Esim / ED argument: Their consumer products are related to their contractor work. Esim don't tend to release vehicles for SB ProPE that nobody is using, because why invest time in something that is not going to benefit their military efforts? ED are the same; the tech is a continuation of their work.

Bohemia Interactive, anyone?

We won't see a u-boat sim from anyone else. UBI are presently the only game in town.

141st_Alper · 03-11-10, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Commie

Eagle Dynamics (buggy as well) or 1C Maddox are my preferred choices, but they are busy with flight sims ATM.

Im not looking to positive for eagle dynamics. Yea they can handle a subsim. But un-moddable subsim. At least modding the Lock on Flaming cliffs is a torture chamber for modders. We just can change some 3d model files and textures. Thats all.(no script work, no custom cockpits etc etc..)

OakGroove · 03-11-10, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Commie

Sonalysts make military grade sims, so marketing for mass exposure isn't really their thing, just as with eSIM games and their Steel Beasts. What you don't realise is that these games didn't seem to threaten the existance of the company, so they weren't a wasted investment. They sold enough to cover costs and make a bit. This is what i'm talking about: Sonalysts and eSIM didn't have a big publisher to promote their wares. UBI CAN promote SH, so even a half finished SH can be sold off as the greatest thing since sliced bread because there's no room for anyone else at the moment. If UBI buggers off to the console market, you'll see a new WW2 sub sim come cautiously into the light within a year or two.

This is what i´m hoping for. eSim Games and Bohemia Interactive didn't start out with military contracts, eventually their engines were evaluated and found fit for purpose as mil training tools.

Jeevz · 03-11-10, 12:07 PM

What military would be interested in a U-Boat or Fleet Boat training sim?

IanC · 03-11-10, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeevz

What military would be interested in a U-Boat or Fleet Boat training sim?

You don't know about the time machine project? It's all about ending the war sooner and... I've said too much already.

OakGroove · 03-11-10, 12:21 PM

We can exclude the USN showing interest in a WW2 submarine game, that goes without saying. That's not what i was about. It´s about opportunities opening up for smaller companies, that do not have 8 million USD to spent on just producing a game advert.

Weather-guesser · 03-11-10, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Thanks for the cheery start to my day!

You're too much!

FIREWALL · 03-11-10, 12:37 PM

This game has been out only since March 2nd.

While not the biggest hit Worldwide as everyone thought it should or would be.

The best I can makeout on this website is about 50\50.

You either love it or hate it.

One thing that is disturbing is the posts that say " Ubisoft could just walkaway from this game. " is RIDICULOUS.

03-11-10, 09:36 AM	#18
himlaviz Mate Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 55 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	I see SH5 as a long time investment, I hope for some patch to get the core game (as designed) to get fixed and bit polished by the devs and hope for a mod like GWX/NYGM to take SH5 even further when it comes to historical and realistic aspect of the game where the devs can't dig as deep due to a timescheduale and limited resources. Sure maybe the patches wont fix the game, maybe there is no more patches (but I don't think so), either way I have lost $75 (d2d US site + VAT) for far less return value back on other happenings/things/stuff then what I already have had with Silent Hunter 5. For the time being I am enjoying the stuff that works and learn how to play the game as it's designed and not SH3 v2.0. Also have an idea for a mod for more interaction with the crew to talk to them for feedback of things that I feel is missing, like depth, do a full sweep, follow nearest contact and so on. Keep in the spirit of SH5 with interacting with the crew instead of or as a complement to key commands. Like standing next to the sonar crewman and listen and asking him of updates while slowly trying to sneak away from a destroyer. __________________ This is my computer. There are many like it but this one is mine. My computer is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my computer is useless. Without my computer I am useless.

03-11-10, 10:10 AM	#23
JamesT73J Medic Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 167 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	There's something missing in the Esim / ED argument: Their consumer products are related to their contractor work. Esim don't tend to release vehicles for SB ProPE that nobody is using, because why invest time in something that is not going to benefit their military efforts? ED are the same; the tech is a continuation of their work. Bohemia Interactive, anyone? We won't see a u-boat sim from anyone else. UBI are presently the only game in town. __________________ "My advice - buy the damn game and play the arse off it. It's not all there yet but it's still a damn good game, and we all know it'll be even better once the community is done crawling all over it." User 'Sideways' 08th March 2010.

03-11-10, 12:07 PM	#26
Jeevz A-ganger Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	What military would be interested in a U-Boat or Fleet Boat training sim? __________________ Commence to Jigglin

03-11-10, 12:21 PM	#28
OakGroove 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 275 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	We can exclude the USN showing interest in a WW2 submarine game, that goes without saying. That's not what i was about. It´s about opportunities opening up for smaller companies, that do not have 8 million USD to spent on just producing a game advert. __________________ The idea that a company with more negotiating power over its customers will cut them a better deal is just bizarre. Mad Science spawns Evil Fiend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkTZTzsYoZs

03-11-10, 12:37 PM	#30
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	This game has been out only since March 2nd. While not the biggest hit Worldwide as everyone thought it should or would be. The best I can makeout on this website is about 50\50. You either love it or hate it. One thing that is disturbing is the posts that say " Ubisoft could just walkaway from this game. " is RIDICULOUS. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

03-11-10, 09:53 AM	#20
Drifter Frogman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 308 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	SH5 is quickly becoming less and less arcadish. Check out my recent mod that removes all crew 'superpower' abilities. http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164391