When you think SHV what do you think of? - Page 2

Heretic · 02-19-10, 04:16 PM

When I think of SH5, I think of grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup.
Admittedly, that might have more to do with me being hungry than anything particular about the game.

FIREWALL · 02-19-10, 04:19 PM

Setting the obvious aside. I'm concerned about the complexity or lack of it.

After enjoying running all over the boat like a rpg\shooter I hope there's boxes to tick or sliders to slide to bring it to 100% realism. And quickly move to any station I want.

Besides Kplt, I want to wear other hats. Plotting course, Setting up my attack, Setting up fireing solutions Spotting ships from the bridge,ect. ect.

There should be settings for casual players but, also 100% for the Hardcore too.

I don't want to wait 6mo's for modders to do their thing.
This should be Ubisofts best effort out of the box, bugs aside. That's why there's Patches. And I don't mean payware add-ons.

This so far hasn't been shown to my satisfaction.
And I'm the one that has to be satisfied. It's MY $50.00

Until it's released and studied, with a proper review it's all speculation.

Kaleun Klink · 02-19-10, 04:23 PM

I voted for DRM as the only topic worth talking about, but only because Ubisoft's planned constant-Internet-connection DRM will prevent me from playing the game.

I have nothing against DRM per se... as long as it's not so intrusive it actually prevents people from playing the game!

the_belgian · 02-19-10, 04:30 PM

i choose for "People should focus more on the actual game " there is so much said about DRM but i think this is the future we will see evolving and in the end become a standard.why?internetconections have evolved(when i started gaming there wasn't even internet nearby!) and will keep evolving in the future.
maybe in a few years we go to a (web-)store and buy our game-code and enter it into our computer and get a direct download of all needed files together with a storageroom for our data,mods and so on on a gamesserver.but the future has to start somewhere,why not now!

therefore on the subject silent hunter V,i think we should focus on the gameplay and what it will bring to both hardcore and recreational players.
we have too look further into the possibilaties the game will offer and what we can make out of it using our imagination and knowledge.

FIREWALL · 02-19-10, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_belgian

i choose for "People should focus more on the actual game " there is so much said about DRM but i think this is the future we will see evolving and in the end become a standard.why?internetconections have evolved(when i started gaming there wasn't even internet nearby!) and will keep evolving in the future.
maybe in a few years we go to a (web-)store and buy our game-code and enter it into our computer and get a direct download of all needed files together with a storageroom for our data,mods and so on on a gamesserver.but the future has to start somewhere,why not now!

therefore on the subject silent hunter V,i think we should focus on the gameplay and what it will bring to both hardcore and recreational players.
we have too look further into the possibilaties the game will offer and what we can make out of it using our imagination and knowledge.

You like the future huh ? I have a server. How about storeing your bank info on it ?

the_belgian · 02-19-10, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

You like the future huh ? I have a server. How about storeing your bank info on it ?

like pa*yp*ll or webbanking you mean?
that's something verry diferent(unless you have something to hide!)!

"those who have seen the past hope for a better future."

FIREWALL · 02-19-10, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_belgian

like pa*yp*ll or webbanking you mean?
that's something verry diferent(unless you have something to hide!)!

"those who have seen the past hope for a better future."

And "those" who have had their idenity stolen are fighting to get their future back.

I'm all for hi-tech, worse than most and like things that make my life easier. But I draw the line somewhere.

HundertzehnGustav · 02-19-10, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brag

The game is useless while infected with DRM

+1

Besides...
your poll shows what YOU think we should discuss or not, and is therefor worthless.
Its biased and not asking what people think but suggestive.

Pollfail.

janh · 02-19-10, 06:13 PM

The set of possible answers in this poll is incomplete and thus the result statistically insignificant. A number of alternative answers suggested by the given ones are missing. With the given possible answers, no critique against the DRM as well as the game is possible, for instance. This is a non-legitimate way to bias a statistical poll to obtain a certain result... kind of obvious, isn't it? Quite evidently the author of the poll wanted to achieve a certain result, or is lacking the skill to set up a poll in a meaningful way. Thus, this poll better would better closed.

My chosen answer: "This online DRM is a terrible idea and brings about severe drawbacks for single-player games that I as a customer am not willing to take. Also I find that the quality of the product SHV needs to be established first before I consider buying it at full price (after DRM removal). Both currently needs critical reviewing. Or the sales numbers may tumble below the SH IV ones...". You can shorten that if you want, but you get the idea.

Anyway, if someone wanted to start an interesting poll, then how many of the serious modders involved previously in the Full-Mods GWX, Fleetboat etc. are still onboard with SHV? I have seen several of the people I recognized from those mods before stating that they turn their back on SHV. One major reason was that since modding involves permanent restarts for testing, the new OSP DRM will be a deal breaker. I would really like to know how many experienced and serious modders are still planning on modding SHV. This will be even more crucial than in SHIII now, since 43-45 and the other boats are not a given (nor are addons confirmed as of yet).

Frederf · 02-19-10, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Possibly, but those who choose to let this sway them into piracy, do not have strong principles to begin with.

Ouch, possibly those who rebel against tyranny have the strongest principles. Less so maybe those who weakly protest? Hmm

Sailor Steve · 02-19-10, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ERPP8

Why not talk about the game rather than:
-Don't you think the SHV graphics looks cool?
-Sure but DRM sucks!
-The future of SHV is dead
DRM isn't the only thing we know about SHV

What do we know exactly? That the graphics look cool? There are those who disagree with that.

That the DRM sucks? Only to those of us who feel that way. There are those who like the idea, or at least are willing to live with it.

That the future of SH5 is dead? We don't know that at all.

So besides DRM exactly what do we know? Anything you can think of is the subject of controversy. Tell me one thing we know about the game (or think we know) that isn't being discussed over and over.

Sailor Steve · 02-19-10, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frederf

Ouch, possibly those who rebel against tyranny have the strongest principles. Less so maybe those who weakly protest? Hmm

Ah, but he didn't say the rebels had weak principles.

Only the thieves.

Frederf · 02-19-10, 08:58 PM

Thieves, liberators, criminals, revolutionaries, insurgents... different names for the same people depending on your own motivations. Thomas Jefferson was guilty of treason after all.

When I look at SH5 I see a game maddeningly short of its potential to really do the subject justice (if it's anything akin to SH3, SH4).

Sgtmonkeynads · 02-19-10, 09:05 PM

DRM is a brickwall to many players around here.

Mr. Ubisoft.........Tear down this wall!

JScones · 02-19-10, 09:35 PM

IMHO DRM is a big part of the game. It is certainly integrated into SH5, so why should it be ignored, or not discussed?

I think some of the discussion around DRM is simply because more is being posted online about it than about SH5. Every time a new article is found, off we go again. We know more about DRM than we do about the game. We've already done to death what we know about the game - the periscope screen, crew animations, graphics etc. What new stuff is there to discuss?

Now, on the subject of argumentum ad nauseam, however...

View Poll Results: What do you think about how much people are talking about DRM not SHV it's self
I think DRM is the only topic worth talking about	63	46.32%
People should be more positive about DRM and SHV	6	4.41%
People should focus more on the actual game	66	48.53%
I don't think DRM should be discussed at all	1	0.74%
Voters: 136. You may not vote on this poll

02-19-10, 04:16 PM	#16
Heretic Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 617 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 2	When I think of SH5, I think of grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup. Admittedly, that might have more to do with me being hungry than anything particular about the game. __________________ - heretic I enjoy drinking beer. MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 - Updated 22 March MightyFine Less Annoying Footsteps Crew AI Scripting Information

02-19-10, 04:19 PM	#17
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Setting the obvious aside. I'm concerned about the complexity or lack of it. After enjoying running all over the boat like a rpg\shooter I hope there's boxes to tick or sliders to slide to bring it to 100% realism. And quickly move to any station I want. Besides Kplt, I want to wear other hats. Plotting course, Setting up my attack, Setting up fireing solutions Spotting ships from the bridge,ect. ect. There should be settings for casual players but, also 100% for the Hardcore too. I don't want to wait 6mo's for modders to do their thing. This should be Ubisofts best effort out of the box, bugs aside. That's why there's Patches. And I don't mean payware add-ons. This so far hasn't been shown to my satisfaction. And I'm the one that has to be satisfied. It's MY $50.00 Until it's released and studied, with a proper review it's all speculation. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

02-19-10, 04:23 PM	#18
Kaleun Klink Seaman Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: la raza de Los Angeles Posts: 42 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I voted for DRM as the only topic worth talking about, but only because Ubisoft's planned constant-Internet-connection DRM will prevent me from playing the game. I have nothing against DRM per se... as long as it's not so intrusive it actually prevents people from playing the game! __________________ Bernaaaaaard! Current games: UBOAT ... Victory at Sea Pacific ... Ye olde games: SH3 + GWX3 Gold ... SH4 plain vanilla ... Steam and Iron ... Jutland ... War Plan Pacific ... ...and many board games!

02-19-10, 06:13 PM	#24
janh Stinking drunk in Trinidad Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 349 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	close? The set of possible answers in this poll is incomplete and thus the result statistically insignificant. A number of alternative answers suggested by the given ones are missing. With the given possible answers, no critique against the DRM as well as the game is possible, for instance. This is a non-legitimate way to bias a statistical poll to obtain a certain result... kind of obvious, isn't it? Quite evidently the author of the poll wanted to achieve a certain result, or is lacking the skill to set up a poll in a meaningful way. Thus, this poll better would better closed. My chosen answer: "This online DRM is a terrible idea and brings about severe drawbacks for single-player games that I as a customer am not willing to take. Also I find that the quality of the product SHV needs to be established first before I consider buying it at full price (after DRM removal). Both currently needs critical reviewing. Or the sales numbers may tumble below the SH IV ones...". You can shorten that if you want, but you get the idea. Anyway, if someone wanted to start an interesting poll, then how many of the serious modders involved previously in the Full-Mods GWX, Fleetboat etc. are still onboard with SHV? I have seen several of the people I recognized from those mods before stating that they turn their back on SHV. One major reason was that since modding involves permanent restarts for testing, the new OSP DRM will be a deal breaker. I would really like to know how many experienced and serious modders are still planning on modding SHV. This will be even more crucial than in SHIII now, since 43-45 and the other boats are not a given (nor are addons confirmed as of yet).

02-19-10, 04:30 PM	#19
the_belgian Commander Join Date: May 2007 Location: a mile behind the sign"end of civilisation" Posts: 444 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	i choose for "People should focus more on the actual game " there is so much said about DRM but i think this is the future we will see evolving and in the end become a standard.why?internetconections have evolved(when i started gaming there wasn't even internet nearby!) and will keep evolving in the future. maybe in a few years we go to a (web-)store and buy our game-code and enter it into our computer and get a direct download of all needed files together with a storageroom for our data,mods and so on on a gamesserver.but the future has to start somewhere,why not now! therefore on the subject silent hunter V,i think we should focus on the gameplay and what it will bring to both hardcore and recreational players. we have too look further into the possibilaties the game will offer and what we can make out of it using our imagination and knowledge.

02-19-10, 08:58 PM	#28
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	Thieves, liberators, criminals, revolutionaries, insurgents... different names for the same people depending on your own motivations. Thomas Jefferson was guilty of treason after all. When I look at SH5 I see a game maddeningly short of its potential to really do the subject justice (if it's anything akin to SH3, SH4).

02-19-10, 09:05 PM	#29
Sgtmonkeynads Ships Secretary Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MilesCity Montana Posts: 583 Downloads: 614 Uploads: 0	DRM is a brickwall to many players around here. Mr. Ubisoft.........Tear down this wall! __________________ Just help someone.....it makes a difference

02-19-10, 09:35 PM	#30
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	IMHO DRM is a big part of the game. It is certainly integrated into SH5, so why should it be ignored, or not discussed? I think some of the discussion around DRM is simply because more is being posted online about it than about SH5. Every time a new article is found, off we go again. We know more about DRM than we do about the game. We've already done to death what we know about the game - the periscope screen, crew animations, graphics etc. What new stuff is there to discuss? Now, on the subject of argumentum ad nauseam, however... Last edited by JScones; 02-19-10 at 09:55 PM.