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02-03-10, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum

Setting the RPM to 50 is no more of an "ability" than setting it to 49,51,82,etc.

Why would that be listed as an "ability"?

because you cant do that in most "arcade" games

GoldenRivet · 02-03-10, 03:11 PM

i'll explain

remember in SH3 when GWX was released and all the N00|3s cried about how you set "silent running" and the speed drops to 2 or 3 knots and it goes ahead slow but the destroyers can still hear me wha wha wha?

and then the GWX crew says

"well in real life the chief would have had the option to set the electric motors to 50 RPM ahead to achieve maximum stealth" yadda yadda yadda

recall that?

I'm thinking this is Ubi's version of that little "tweak".

what i think was "lost in translation"...

...is that it was called an "active ability" or "special ability" for lack of a better phrase that the casual gamer would associate with.

call it what you will... i assume this is what the order achieves.

of course until it is released or we get definitive proof from the devs... its pure speculation, but i think it is REASONABLE speculation.

I mean... what else is the chief going to do? run back there and put all the pillows and bedding around the motors?

and how about the "ability" to "push the diesel beyond its factory limits"

field engineers CAN do this in real life.

factory limits are a "manufacturers recommended limitation"

in aircraft engines for example...

there are certain tweaks and field modifications you can do to a light aircraft engine which will add an extra 150 - 200 RPM thereby gaining 10 to 15 extra horsepower. (of course this requires documentation and approval from the FAA but still... possible to do it)

is it too "outer limits / twilight zone ./ sci-fi fantasy" to assume that our diesel mechanic is at least smart enough to perform some similar task in the field and boost engine performance even if it only achieves an extra 2 knots???

seriously?

i certainly think its not THAT outlandish.

perhaps the choice of "special ability" was a poor choice of words.

but you surely follow my logic.

HundertzehnGustav · 02-03-10, 03:20 PM

we need to get this MW/50 or GM-1 thing in, that system with "laughing gas" that they used in the 109s and 190s... injected into the engine, it will boost the air fuel mixture...
but dont break the system, because then the crew

wont be able to do any

silent running any more for the rest of the cruise

conus00 · 02-03-10, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brag

Hehe

They must be watching us.

They are WATCHING us alright but they, sure as hell, are not LISTENING.

Schroeder · 02-03-10, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TH0R

1st (Erich von Dobenecker) and 2nd (Dieter Epp) Watch officer duties were added, what about 3rd...?

There are only two watches on German U-Boats. Hence there are only two watch officers.

TH0R · 02-03-10, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

There are only two watches on German U-Boats. Hence there are only two watch officers.

Thanks for clearing up that for me.

I recall someone mentioned there were 3, but now that I think of it - I remember a discussion about SH4, which had 3 watches and how U-Boat add-on couldn't simulate two watches properly.

Letum · 02-03-10, 03:38 PM

Regarding 'overcharging' diesel engines.

Yes, I think that is outlandish.
Aircraft engines where built with mechanisms to run them at speeds that
reduce the service time. They where designed that way. It wasn't some
modification or tweak. It was done in one of three ways; by removing
the manifold pressure limitations (i.e Spitfire V), by injecting methanol
and then water to prevent knock (i.e. P47) or by increasing the
supercharger speed and injecting cold fuel after the supercharger to
prevent knock (i.e. FW190).

Uboat engines had no mechanism to run them at speeds that would
reduce the service time. It is inconceivable how this could be changed in
the field or even at port.
You can't add anything to the motor as you don't have an injection
system and without a protective layer methanol would very quickly
corrode the engine (there was hardly enough chromium in Germany to
proof aeroplane engines, let alone uboats). You can't run the
supercharger any faster or your engine will just knock and there is no
point opening the throttle beyond what the engine can suck in.

Better fuel might help (the uboats got crappy fuel), but your hardly going
to sit there with a bucket of premium ready, even if you did get your
hands on some. How would you put it in anyway?

If it was possible and it was done, uboat.net would know about it.
It wasn't.

The concept of overcharging engines in general isn't wild fantasy, but
the idea that uboat engines could be, or where, overcharged is fantasy.

Das Gespenst · 02-03-10, 03:45 PM

As long as they didn't get rid of Willi Pelz, I'm ok.

GoldenRivet · 02-03-10, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Regarding 'overcharging' diesel engines.

Yes, I think that is outlandish.
Aircraft engines where built with mechanisms to run them at speeds that
reduce the service time. They where designed that way. It wasn't some
modification or tweak. It was done in one of three ways; by removing
the manifold pressure limitations (i.e Spitfire V), by injecting methanol
and then water to prevent knock (i.e. P47) or by increasing the
supercharger speed and injecting cold fuel after the supercharger to
prevent knock (i.e. FW190).

one aircraft i routinely fly is "overcharged" without the use any of those methods.

I cannot say for sure what the Devs have in mind... but i'm willing to assume that they have a plan on this matter that does not involve "magic" in any way shape or form

Sailor Steve · 02-03-10, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder

There are only two watches on German U-Boats. Hence there are only two watch officers.

I thought I remembered reading somewhere that the Obersteuermann commanded the third bridge watch.

Can't find it now, though, so it's just a memory.

Letum · 02-03-10, 03:50 PM

Quote:

I cannot say for sure what the Devs have in mind... but i'm willing to assume that they have a plan on this matter that does not involve "magic" in any way shape or form

Wanna put some money on that?

fromhell · 02-03-10, 03:56 PM

i remember in a tv program, a uboat captain, forget who, saying that while on surface, they used the electric engines as well as the deisel, to escape a convoy escort.
enyone heard of that?

GoldenRivet · 02-03-10, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Wanna put some money on that?

sure.

$10?

I say there are at least a couple of things that can be done at sea by a knowledgeable mechanic to temporarily improve the performance of a diesel engine.

i dont care what machine, what computer, what device you are working with - there is always some way to boost the performance beyond "factory limitation" which is the exact language the ubi web site used.

I'm confident that this will only be effective for a short period of time... im also quite confident that it will not involve "magic" and that it will ultimately result in a gain of only one or two extra knots.

you wont see your Type VIIA cutting wake at 35 knots.

Letum · 02-03-10, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

sure.

$10?

I say there are at least a couple of things that can be done at sea by a knowledgeable mechanic to temporarily improve the performance of a diesel engine.

i dont care what machine, what computer, what device you are working with - there is always some way to boost the performance beyond "factory limitation" which is the exact language the ubi web site used.

I'm confident that this will only be effective for a short period of time... im also quite confident that it will not involve "magic" and that it will ultimately result in a gain of only one or two extra knots.

you wont see your Type VIIA cutting wake at 35 knots.

OK, a $10 donation to subsim is fine by me.

If ubisoft explain what it is that makes the engines go faster and how it
was possible during the war (and thus no magic is required); you win.

If ubisoft don't explain what makes the engines go faster and/or it wasn't
possible during the war (and so it must be magic); I win.

If the feature isn't in SHV; it's a draw with no transaction.

/shakes.

GoldenRivet · 02-03-10, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

OK, a $10 donation to subsim is fine by me.

If ubisoft explain what it is that makes the engines go faster and how it
was possible during the war (and thus no magic is required); you win.

If ubisoft don't explain what makes the engines go faster and/or it wasn't
possible during the war (and so it must be magic); I win.

If the feature isn't in SHV; it's a draw with no transaction.

/shakes.

Letum i like you but im no fool.

the entirety of our bet relies on Ubi explaining something?

oh.... oh... oh... My sides!!! I'm crying!!! LOL

how about this... if anyone can produce reasonable evidence that increasing the performance beyond factory default - even if by a small margin, of a desiel engine at sea is possible.

and in SH5, once released, the mechanic doesnt just say "Jawol herr kaleun" and it suddenly happens.

then we have a deal

02-03-10, 03:11 PM	#17
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	i'll explain remember in SH3 when GWX was released and all the N00\|3s cried about how you set "silent running" and the speed drops to 2 or 3 knots and it goes ahead slow but the destroyers can still hear me wha wha wha? and then the GWX crew says "well in real life the chief would have had the option to set the electric motors to 50 RPM ahead to achieve maximum stealth" yadda yadda yadda recall that? I'm thinking this is Ubi's version of that little "tweak". what i think was "lost in translation"... ...is that it was called an "active ability" or "special ability" for lack of a better phrase that the casual gamer would associate with. call it what you will... i assume this is what the order achieves. of course until it is released or we get definitive proof from the devs... its pure speculation, but i think it is REASONABLE speculation. I mean... what else is the chief going to do? run back there and put all the pillows and bedding around the motors? and how about the "ability" to "push the diesel beyond its factory limits" field engineers CAN do this in real life. factory limits are a "manufacturers recommended limitation" in aircraft engines for example... there are certain tweaks and field modifications you can do to a light aircraft engine which will add an extra 150 - 200 RPM thereby gaining 10 to 15 extra horsepower. (of course this requires documentation and approval from the FAA but still... possible to do it) is it too "outer limits / twilight zone ./ sci-fi fantasy" to assume that our diesel mechanic is at least smart enough to perform some similar task in the field and boost engine performance even if it only achieves an extra 2 knots??? seriously? i certainly think its not THAT outlandish. perhaps the choice of "special ability" was a poor choice of words. but you surely follow my logic. __________________

02-03-10, 03:20 PM	#18
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	we need to get this MW/50 or GM-1 thing in, that system with "laughing gas" that they used in the 109s and 190s... injected into the engine, it will boost the air fuel mixture... but dont break the system, because then the crew wont be able to do any silent running any more for the rest of the cruise __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

02-03-10, 03:38 PM	#22
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Regarding 'overcharging' diesel engines. Yes, I think that is outlandish. Aircraft engines where built with mechanisms to run them at speeds that reduce the service time. They where designed that way. It wasn't some modification or tweak. It was done in one of three ways; by removing the manifold pressure limitations (i.e Spitfire V), by injecting methanol and then water to prevent knock (i.e. P47) or by increasing the supercharger speed and injecting cold fuel after the supercharger to prevent knock (i.e. FW190). Uboat engines had no mechanism to run them at speeds that would reduce the service time. It is inconceivable how this could be changed in the field or even at port. You can't add anything to the motor as you don't have an injection system and without a protective layer methanol would very quickly corrode the engine (there was hardly enough chromium in Germany to proof aeroplane engines, let alone uboats). You can't run the supercharger any faster or your engine will just knock and there is no point opening the throttle beyond what the engine can suck in. Better fuel might help (the uboats got crappy fuel), but your hardly going to sit there with a bucket of premium ready, even if you did get your hands on some. How would you put it in anyway? If it was possible and it was done, uboat.net would know about it. It wasn't. The concept of overcharging engines in general isn't wild fantasy, but the idea that uboat engines could be, or where, overcharged is fantasy. __________________

02-03-10, 03:45 PM	#23
Das Gespenst Sailor man Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: The engine room Posts: 46 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	As long as they didn't get rid of Willi Pelz, I'm ok.

02-03-10, 03:56 PM	#27
fromhell Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: the deep Posts: 251 Downloads: 217 Uploads: 7	i remember in a tv program, a uboat captain, forget who, saying that while on surface, they used the electric engines as well as the deisel, to escape a convoy escort. enyone heard of that?