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Old 01-29-10, 09:25 PM   #16
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Okay, we get it, you don't like DRM.

No one likes DRM, not even the developers. Not even the publishers. It costs lots of money, it's a pain to implement and it's marginally effective at best.

But it's a necessary evil.

Even if it doesn't make a lick of difference in the grand scheme of piracy, it's just unthinkable for a triple-A game from a major developer to ship without any kind of copy protection.



Why DRM?

Because of the one group of people Ubisoft cares more about than its customers.

The people who own these:

http://www.google.com/finance?q=EPA%3AUBI



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Businesses are created to satisfy needs
No, businesses are created to generate profit.

Satisfying customers is only a means to an end.

To satisfy shareholders.



For extra e-pedant points, allow me to directly quote Wikipedia:

A business (also called a company, enterprise or firm) is a legally recognized organization designed to provide goods and/or services to consumers.[1] Businesses are predominant in capitalist economies, most being privately owned and formed to earn profit that will increase the wealth of its owners and grow the business itself.

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business ] - Wikipedia



Be thankful that it isn't StarForceLargeUncomfortableObjectsUpYourPooper DRM that breaks random hardware on your PC, but an online play system, which will be common practise in ALL games a few years from now and is already used in every single MMO imaginable since bloody Ultima Online (and earlier).

As for people who don't have stable 24/7 broadband? It bloody well sucks. It really does. I feel for them. Honest. I sincerely hope that their local telecom company smartens up and builds the infrastructure required or that they move to a place where they can indeed get an internet connection.

Still, yeah, it sucks; there's no other words for it.



You know what sucks even more?

Haiti.



Now can we please, please focus on the quality of the actual game?

DRM issues will eventually be resolved.

A fundamentally flawed game is what worries me most. That is something all the modding in the world won't be able to solve.



When all is said and done, nothing stops you from buying a legit copy to support the developers and playing with a cracked version.

It isn't like most of us don't play our games with a NoCD patch, including SH3.
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Old 01-29-10, 09:47 PM   #17
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Be thankful that it isn't StarForceLargeUncomfortableObjectsUpYourPooper DRM that breaks random hardware on your PC, but an online play system, which will be common practise in ALL games a few years from now and is already used in every single MMO imaginable since bloody Ultima Online (and earlier).

As for people who don't have stable 24/7 broadband? It bloody well sucks. It really does. I feel for them. Honest. I sincerely hope that their local telecom company smartens up and builds the infrastructure required or that they move to a place where they can indeed get an internet connection.
Trenken...? Is that you?

Please, don't confuse requirements for a MMO (guess what that name means, eh?) with a single player game that is played on your own machine, all by your self.

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You know what sucks even more?

Haiti.

Now can we please, please focus on the quality of the actual game?

DRM issues will eventually be resolved.

A fundamentally flawed game is what worries me most. That's something all the modding in the world can't solve.
Well, I guess we can agree to that..

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When all is said and done, nothing stops you from buying a legit copy to support the developers and playing with a cracked version. It's not like most of us don't play our games with a NoCD patch, including SH3.
Are you sure you played SH3 lately? Never needed a CD or patch to play it..
Just wondering..
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Old 01-29-10, 09:48 PM   #18
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He doesn't get the difference between DRM and OSP. People are fine with registration keys. people are even fine with games connecting at startup for authentication, like Steam. But people are NOT fine with being constantly tethered.
That's exactly what I was trying to point out to him. DRM doesn't make me happy, but I'll deal with it. That list ought to be proof enough for anybody. When DRM comes in the form of OSP, then I'm not going to deal with it. Simple as that.
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Old 01-29-10, 11:32 PM   #19
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Moo you *$#@%\

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Old 01-29-10, 11:55 PM   #20
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When it comes to this crowd.......
yes.
And about PTO crowd, are they cattle too ?
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Old 01-30-10, 12:55 AM   #21
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Moo you *$#@%\

Utterly amazing

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Old 01-30-10, 12:59 AM   #22
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And about PTO crowd, are they cattle too ?

I think the PTO crowd is the MOOST.

Let's all stick together or, we will all hang seperately.
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Old 01-30-10, 01:08 AM   #23
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Old 01-30-10, 04:01 AM   #24
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Brag. Yeah I'm a cattle these last few days, but it's just a flowers and you already know who is responsible for it right ? You said: " A businessman sees what people want" Let me guess I think you're talking about UBI and their customers ? If so maybe you would like to think about how many customers wants to have DRM trojan in their PCs ?
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Old 01-30-10, 05:10 AM   #25
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Old 01-30-10, 05:52 AM   #26
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Satisfying customers is only a means to an end.

To satisfy shareholders.
This is the current reality...but, as you say, customers ARE the means to the end. Without customers then the shareholders will be largely unsatisfied. As customers, we encourage businesses to make a healthy profit...but surely not when that profit is at the expense of a slow erosion in social capital? Likewise, profit should never be acquired at the expense of the slow erosion of customer base.

So, as the OP highlighted, the ending of this little sorry story will be decided by the customers, not the shareholders. That is our only leverage. Use it by not buying the game. Or lose it by following the heard.

Be a FREE MAN.....or be shafted., the choice is yours...
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