What we cant insult ubi?

[martes86]

Insults are no good. Diplomacy my friends, works... and if that doesn't grant the desired results, then, as has been said, civilized pressure measures can be taken. But don't jump to offend pepole, or we're just screwed.

Cheers

[urfisch]

Originally Posted by Reece

And what would be the point if you didn't have access to the net or had dialup only, or their server was down, or your ISP is doing maintenance, etc etc!

i second that question...

[kapitan_zur_see]

Insulting people at UBI is pointless and no civilized way of acting and that's even if you think UBI does not act with the same respect towards you, the customer, which I might understand very well...
Insulting or using threatening tone won't do anything but convey the idea that subsim.com is a bunch of annoyance to game developpers... I understand your concerns but please understand that subsim.com has a reputation to stand for and that it is not limited to SH5.

Use mockery instead I've done it lots of time to mock UBI and neither Neil nor Webster ever deleted one of my post.
Look at that spy UBI marketing picture I revealed for example!

[TDK1044]

I don't think there's ever a need to insult Ubisoft, but I do feel that the time has come to send them a clear message by voting with our wallets. It will have little or no effect on Ubisoft, but it's the only recourse we have.

Looking at the available visual and written information accross many forums over the last two weeks, I'm convinced that we are heading towards an arcade game played on the Ubisoft servers.

[conus00]

Originally Posted by Webster

due to good relations between UBI and subsim in the past neal has been granted "insider" access to interviews and info nobody else has been given and in some cases pre-release access to the game itself so the subsim community has benefitted greatly from this friendship.


with sh4 not so much and it looks like with sh5 we are treated like the red headed step child but maybe it wasnt intentional.


i have no personal knowledge about them but i believe the same applies to the other sub sim games as well so it is important to the relationship subsim has with game makers that produce these games that we are seen as a friend and not out there leading the descent on any game even if it is well deserved.

hope that clears things up.

Thanks a lot, Webster. That cleared it a lot. I was not aware of any "insider privilegies" Neal has with UBI. Good to know that there is such a connection. Even now, in the light of SHV development, it hardly matters, doesn't it? I do not know if the way wishes/requests for SHV from this community were treated (for the most part ignored) intentionally but the result stays the same: SHV is headed towards the disaster if released in its recent stage. It will not sell and that IMO is the end of the road for SH series.

I have followed SHV development with great interest since the rumors started and right now (mere month before its intended release) I have mixed feelings of being angry/disappointed and cheated. Yes, cheated is a good word. We have been kept in darkness about major SHV "improvements" an being spoon-fed bullcrap eyecandy images and videos. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT AN EYECANDY! That's why I still play SH3. What I do care about is playability and (more importantly) re-playability. Without it any game amounts just to it: eyecandy.

If the SHV will be released as intended now (39-43, one sub, DRM, etc) I dare to say that there will be irrepairable damage done to the Silent Hunter series. Not by releasing bad game but by shattering the faith the Subsim members had for UBI.

And that, my friends, goes back to the original SteamWake's statement:"Something about biting the hand that feeds you."
You got it right, mate but from wrong perspective. The saying goes the other way around about who feeds who and who does the bitting: UBI soft gets their hand bitten by Subsim community!!!
Believe it or not, to certain extent, we "feed" UBI by purchasing their merchandise at $59.99 (or so) and if they don't deliver, we won't buy and that's the end of the franchise.


If SHV turns out to be fiasco I personally will be VERY hard to convince to buy SH6. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Gilbou]

Originally Posted by urfisch

i second that question...

I can only speak of my own experiences.

I have been a long player of the Ghost Recon series.
And the Rainbox Six series.
Both have been handled by Ubisoft and the track record is, sadly, quite bad.

I am here talking of years of play. Not just the last or two last years.
RB6 also known as "Ravenshield" I was part of a clan called KA (Kicks Ass)
and we were a respected and feared gang of players on online play. We did kick ass. We played fast, very fast and we stormed anything be it other players of the game AI at maximum level. At that time, the server was player side. We used good, powerful and reliable machines on the biggest Internet connection we could use. And it worked fine. We tested each custom map and had our own selection of high quality. Those were the golden years.

As we wanted something harder we moved on to Ghost Recon which was a much harder game. Essentially : one bullet, you're dead and you got to fire first of you're history. Simple as that. Again, server was a client side thing but... in order to play we had to first connect to Ubisoft service, then we could connect to our own machine server. And from here, it went downhill to the gutter.

About half of the time, you could not connect to the Ubisoft server. So you had the IP address of your own private server but could not reach the dialog to enter the IP address and password because of Ubi's poor authentication service. You would also get kicked out of the game if for any reason you lost connection with the Ubi's server.

Of course, trying to reconnect did not work : since you had lost the connection with the Ubi server while playing, it could take up to one hour for the ghost connection to die so you could connect and play again.

This made Ghost-Recon based tournaments so hard that most gave up on them...

Years later, Ubisoft released GRAW2 (Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter) which is the sequel to Ghost Recon. Seriously, it is a kick ass game. A piece of art. The graphics, the gameplay, the very high difficulty level and the "you take one bullet you're dead and won't even understsand what's happened" was incredible. I played the solos missions and I was on my knees... And when we moved to play online and thanks to Ubisoft poor servers reliability again we were plagued with problems. Again. About 10 % of the time you could not connect. You could try the whole day it would not work (probably some IP ban stuff that isn't recycled often) and when it did work, about 1/3 of the time the server was up but you would either not see it (while all other players would) and if you do see it, it would remain stuck on the connection screen (while all other players connected fine). Most of the time it worked, but sometimes you would just remain stuck outside. I do recall entire evenings spent outside the server for 2, sometimes 3 hours trying to connect to no avail.

So much we had to give up on Graw2. Fed up with Ubisoft crap, we moved to SWAT4 which was absolutely incredible. Great fun playing (tasering to the death a terrotist, having to respect the law and do warnings before any force use.. The game is great and some maps are absolutely terrifying.. think Silence of the Lambs and attacking a sect cult building with terrorists hiding among hostages..). Server was our own machine, worked fine. No problem.

Ubisoft has a very poor track record when it comes to online play. Their servers are satured even on games with less players (today, GRAW2 has been replaced by a sequel and there's much less people on the GRAW2 server and half of the time you can't connect...). Even when you're able to connect, they have poor reliability and you get kicked out of games for no reason while you Internet access is still there and working (we play with Teamspeak so if the game goes down while Teamspeak doesn't you know you didn't get kicked because of a connection loss).

When Vegas 1 came out, we all bought it and played it. Great game.
Again, we stopped because of Ubisoft's servers unreliability. When Vegas2 came out, I think only 3 people bought it on our clan (which has been destroyed because players were so fed up of buying buggy games they could not play that they just stopped and about half went console...).

This company has not shown the capability to offer online servers that work properly or are reliable. Some of you are posting that there could be problems if you lose the connection on your side...

That won't be the problem. Based on our own experience involving over 4 Ubisoft games in previous years, having a rock solid Internet access doesn't change anything. You will have connection problems, unreliable servers and the Ubisoft support service is rated very low.

I contacted them, opened about 10 tickets just for Vegas whose DRM was not able to recognize my CD and I could not even launch the game. They told me to buy a new PC (while I had bought one just one month before), they told me to buy a new DVD reader, and to use the previous one. I did move the previous one into my PC : didn't work. I did buy after one month an external DVD reader/writer plugged on USB (Ubisoft being unable to even tell me what model to buy that would work, either internally or external) and it did not work. They offered no solution, nor cared. I contacted Securom which offers a support service if you have those problems. They never answer nor contact you. You do what they tell you, you use a program to send them a kind of hardware report, and then. Nothing. After monthes they never reply even after creating about 10 requests. When you contact Ubisoft about this, they close the ticked without even answering.

Poor track record, no support service that can be called as such, not reliable servers. That's the experience record of Ubisoft online games over 20 people whose only 3 are still in contact and all others have given up and left.
And we do know of about 6 other gaming clans that went the same way of the Dodo as us.

[Reece]

Originally Posted by conus00

If SHV turns out to be fiasco I personally will be VERY hard to convince to buy SH6. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I doubt that there would be a SH6 and if there was would still have DRM, there are many other game producers out there, if there is a market for sub sims, and there is, then they will make it! might be a good thing!

[Elder-Pirate]

The guy that could stop this whole ball of wax is the big cheese

Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot

Send letters ( snail mail ) to his personal residence. Be kind but get the point across.

Any ideas of this mans address??

If this personal address idea is thought to be a no no on this site then maybe we could PM and email to each other.

I'm not joking for his so called lieutenants will stop your mail cold.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Something about biting the hand that feeds you.

They don't feed me anything.

I pay full price for every meal.

Originally Posted by Elder-Pirate

The guy that could stop this whole ball of wax is the big cheese

Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot

Send letters ( snail mail ) to his personal residence. Be kind but get the point across.

Any ideas of this mans address??

If this personal address idea is thought to be a no no on this site then maybe we could PM and email to each other.

I'm not joking for his so called lieutenants will stop your mail cold.

posting anything that has anything to do in reguards to someones personal info will get you a perminent lifetime ban and dont even try it here.

[FIREWALL]

I don't have to insult Ubisoft. They already accomplished that themselves.

They themselves, shot themselves, in the foot.

[Elder-Pirate]

Originally Posted by Webster

posting anything that has anything to do in reguards to someones personal info will get you a perminent lifetime ban and dont even try it here.

Reread MY post Webster as I questioned if it was legal and what could be done.
And don't even think of my emailing some another persons address to someone is any of yours nor the sites business, and I'm not referring to any email from this site either.

Jeez you really get on your high horse sometimes.