A solution worse than the symptom?

[Skybird]

"We" have had this or that? Modern civilisation is just 1-2 hundred years old.

If you mean that we will survive biologically, as a species, tribal samples here and there, then you are probably right.

Just all that civilisational luggage: that is what it is about.

What the planet has been 400 thousand years ago, and will be in 100 thiusand years, does not effect the present challenges we are confronted with. that life will carry on on this planet, in alterated forms and models, cannot be our comfort now.

[NeonSamurai]

Wow thats brilliant, exchanging warming for acid rain (sulfur is one of the key ingredients in acid rain). Ya that'll work

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Lost in all this "climate change" talk is the fact that any climate change, whether to warmer or cooler will have many beneficial effects. Our doomsayers focus on the bad effects, because promoting disaster is the surest way to power.

Most of the effects will not be very beneficial to us, a few degrees too low may trigger the next ice age, a few degrees too high and large chunks of the most populated and economically valuable property on the planet will end up underwater from most of the ice in the world melting. That is aside to the chaos the temperature changes will cause to the natural world and us, including loss of farmland, destruction fish species we rely on, dramatic increase in storm power, erratic and shifted weather and water currents, and other massive ecological changes.

And the global warming, climate change movement is purely a front for socialist political opportunists. And, as usual, this movement seeks not to increase the power of the people, but only to promote power and privilege for a small oligarchy, just as conservatives often do also. This is not the exclusive tool of any family of politics, it is just a familiar aspect of politics in general.

Not gonna even touch this.

Posit a "crisis." Make sure it is not testable. Make sure that whatever you do and whatever effect you may or may not have on it will redound to your credit. Frame it as "climate change" instead of "global warming" so either way it's a disaster than only you can handle. Require expensive and life-changing action to combat the "crisis" to increase individual investment in the world view that brings you to power. OH! And set up a ganster corporation to extort money from the richest corporations on the planet in exchange for allowing them to continue to contribute to the crisis. No crisis, no power you know.

How is it not testable exactly? We have the figures both past and present, we know what happens when these changes occur based on the past. There have been claims made that the figures are fraudulent, but I have yet to see any hard evidence of that (even though I have repeatedly asked for it). What you are talking about is politicized nonsense, which ultimately won't solve anything.

The fact is that in recent (within the past 100,000 years) times, the earth has been both much cooler and much warmer than it is now. I live on beachfront property (from about 90,000 years ago) that the cooling of the earth and the development of lousy icecaps have deprived me of. My property value has suffered because of current climate conditions. We have had periods with no icecaps at all. We have had periods where the ice caps reached to mid-Europe and the middle midwest United States.

Yes that is true (other then the bit about being deprived, as your property may have been an arid desert at the time the ocean was near it).

There have been rates of climate change much higher than today's. Through all of that, life has prospered, as it will regardless of what happens to the climate.

Both statements are false. 1. the rate of change is much faster then in any previous period in history going back (look at the graphs at the bottom of here http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/gene/peakoil/node3.html). 2. According to the fossil records, major temperature changes caused the extinction rates to jump by a large margin as animals tried to adapt to the changing conditions, I would not call that prosperity but rather survival.

There is no crisis. Chicken Littles just need to go away.

I can point to many civilizations that were destroyed by such thinking. That ignored the warning signs and continued on as they were. They all payed dearly for it.

It is ultimately Nature that dictates the terms of survival to Man, not the other way around.
No amount of money is going to change that.