New Afghanistan policy

nikimcbee · 12-01-09, 08:51 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...fghanistan-war

Well, what did you think of the speech?

If we're going to set a timeline, I say get rid of all these silly RoE and let the troops do their job. IMO. But now that I think about the RoE thingy, that didn't work out so well for the soviets.

Nobody plays meaner than the Russians. I say we just build a big wall around the place and say nobody leaves. I think that would be cheaper. They get there islamic utopia and we keep them contained, away from everybody else. If they climb over the wall, kill them on the spot.

Kinda like hotel kali-fornia.

Torplexed · 12-01-09, 09:03 PM

There was a speech? I slept thru it.

Just kiddin'

So far, the policy outlines look very much like what the Republican plan was.

Where there is a flaw is in the unfortunate fact that Afghanistan does not have a popular consciousness as a nation state. I expect us to have trouble there. Afghanistan is less a nation than it is a reservation for assorted hill tribes. Neighborhood security is not bestowed by any national institution, but only among familial and clan ties -- it's your valley against all the rest of the world, especially the immediate neighborhood, and it ain't pretty. Consequently Afghanistan is a very low-security, balkanized place, and we must be working on that close-in level, not on the level of a Kabul government that too many tribesmen give less than a damn about and trust very little.

Torplexed · 12-01-09, 09:09 PM

BTW is Obama shipping his bad habits to Afghanistan?

Skybird · 12-01-09, 09:20 PM

Why pulling oiutn then when you could pull out now. The effect is the same. The two years inbetween will not make chnages to Afghanistan.

It's all face-saving only, I think. And troops will pay with their blood for that. I hope they die happy.

12-01-09, 10:09 PM

Get out now.

And close the door behind you.
NO MORE INVASIONS BY ARMIES OF "REFUGEES"!

Maybe you can do something constructive like re-integrating them back into THEIR OWN SOCIETIES, and out of ours.

GoldenRivet · 12-01-09, 10:13 PM

All HOPE is lost for any CHANGE.

Fail.

just remember - YOU voted for him

ETR3(SS) · 12-01-09, 09:50 PM

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US officials said Obama wants almost all the US troops out before the end of his first term in office in January 2013,

My aren't we confident.

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Gibbs said the president did not want to leave the problem to his successor.

Sounds like they're planning a Grover Cleveland.

JU_88 · 12-02-09, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...fghanistan-war

Well, what did you think of the speech?

If we're going to set a timeline, I say get rid of all these silly RoE and let the troops do their job. IMO. But now that I think about the RoE thingy, that didn't work out so well for the soviets.

Nobody plays meaner than the Russians. I say we just build a big wall around the place and say nobody leaves. I think that would be cheaper. They get there islamic utopia and we keep them contained, away from everybody else. If they climb over the wall, kill them on the spot.

Kinda like hotel kali-fornia.

So much for freedom

Skybird · 12-02-09, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

So much for freedom

Indeed. We have our freedom from them, and they have their freedom from us. Fair deal.

gutted · 12-09-09, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Well, what did you think of the speech?

i quit listening to them many months ago

12-01-09, 08:51 PM	#1
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	New Afghanistan policy http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...fghanistan-war Well, what did you think of the speech? If we're going to set a timeline, I say get rid of all these silly RoE and let the troops do their job. IMO. But now that I think about the RoE thingy, that didn't work out so well for the soviets. Nobody plays meaner than the Russians. I say we just build a big wall around the place and say nobody leaves. I think that would be cheaper. They get there islamic utopia and we keep them contained, away from everybody else. If they climb over the wall, kill them on the spot. Kinda like hotel kali-fornia. __________________

12-01-09, 09:20 PM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,639 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Why pulling oiutn then when you could pull out now. The effect is the same. The two years inbetween will not make chnages to Afghanistan. It's all face-saving only, I think. And troops will pay with their blood for that. I hope they die happy. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-01-09, 10:13 PM	#6
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	All HOPE is lost for any CHANGE. Fail. just remember - YOU voted for him __________________

12-01-09, 09:03 PM	#2
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	There was a speech? I slept thru it. Just kiddin' So far, the policy outlines look very much like what the Republican plan was. Where there is a flaw is in the unfortunate fact that Afghanistan does not have a popular consciousness as a nation state. I expect us to have trouble there. Afghanistan is less a nation than it is a reservation for assorted hill tribes. Neighborhood security is not bestowed by any national institution, but only among familial and clan ties -- it's your valley against all the rest of the world, especially the immediate neighborhood, and it ain't pretty. Consequently Afghanistan is a very low-security, balkanized place, and we must be working on that close-in level, not on the level of a Kabul government that too many tribesmen give less than a damn about and trust very little.

12-01-09, 09:09 PM	#3
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	BTW is Obama shipping his bad habits to Afghanistan?

12-01-09, 10:09 PM	#5
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Get out now. And close the door behind you. NO MORE INVASIONS BY ARMIES OF "REFUGEES"! Maybe you can do something constructive like re-integrating them back into THEIR OWN SOCIETIES, and out of ours.