OK...TMO is kicking my a** - Page 2

Ducimus · 10-08-09, 10:31 PM

Personally, the only time i wont do a submerged daylight attack, is if it's in shallow water. Once you get below the thermal layer, you can manuever a bit faster then you could above it. But thats not going to help you much in shallow water.

If the weather is exceptionally calm, is a moment where i'll give pause, cause i know ill be in for it, but end up attacking anyway. Takes awhile in that situation, but i can slink away 9 out of 10 times.

gutted · 10-08-09, 10:38 PM

Oh dont get me wrong, i'll attack during the daylight as well.

It's just that i get alot more succes at night on the surface.

During the daytime while submerged, there's a really good chance that i will get spotted at some point (or they'll be looking for me) before the torpedos leave the boat unless the weather is slanted in my favor.

maybe i just need more time with it though. Haven't had enough chances vs. a convoy at daylight yet to make any final judgments.

zippykat · 10-09-09, 12:17 AM

I'm pretty much looking for calm weather so I can have a chance at a halfway decent firing solution. The two depth charge attacks I did survive I went down t60m, dropped to 1/3, did a hard turn and flank speed when i heard the sonar go off prior to the charges being dropped, flank speed for about 45-60 seconds and then try and make my profile small at 1/3 and slink away. It took a few tries, but the flank speed burst helped get me out of the way of the depth charges and avoid damage until i finally guessed right on my route of escape and snuck away.

sergei · 10-09-09, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MK2

Sergie what folder and file can I find that setting at?

Do you mean how can you dive deep?
Your depth gauge has two faces. Click on the rectangle beneath the gauge to switch between the two. Shallow gauge goes down to 165 ft (50m?). Deep gauge goes down to 450ft. See pic below

From Ducimus: 'The thing is, when i altered things, i had in mind what i refer to as "the depth charge experience". In my mind, being depth charged is part and parcel of a submarine sim regardless of theater. So as part of this "experience", i had intended it to be a nail biting, on the knifes edge of destruction thing to endure.'

Absolutely! Being depth charged is part of the fun! When I first got this game I remember attacking a task force in shallow waters (about 150ft). Sunk 1 carrier, reloaded torpedoes under the task force, then came up the other side and sunk another. The whole time the escorts were just merrily steaming along without a care in the world. Didn't get pinged once, not a single depth charge in the water, hell I don't think the escorts even turned around. I'd just sunk 2 carriers but it felt like a bit of a hollow experience, like shooting fish in a barrel. There's gotta be risk to go with the reward. The game went back on the shelf 'till I found this place. Haven't looked back since then

MK2 · 10-09-09, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sergei

Do you mean how can you dive deep?
Your depth gauge has two faces. Click on the rectangle beneath the gauge to switch between the two. Shallow gauge goes down to 165 ft (50m?). Deep gauge goes down to 450ft. See pic below

From Ducimus: 'The thing is, when i altered things, i had in mind what i refer to as "the depth charge experience". In my mind, being depth charged is part and parcel of a submarine sim regardless of theater. So as part of this "experience", i had intended it to be a nail biting, on the knifes edge of destruction thing to endure.'

Absolutely! Being depth charged is part of the fun! When I first got this game I remember attacking a task force in shallow waters (about 150ft). Sunk 1 carrier, reloaded torpedoes under the task force, then came up the other side and sunk another. The whole time the escorts were just merrily steaming along without a care in the world. Didn't get pinged once, not a single depth charge in the water, hell I don't think the escorts even turned around. I'd just sunk 2 carriers but it felt like a bit of a hollow experience, like shooting fish in a barrel. There's gotta be risk to go with the reward. The game went back on the shelf 'till I found this place. Haven't looked back since then

Sergie thank you for teaching me somehting else...amazing what you don't pick up after reading the manual twice and having a succesful patrol but my question was geared toward the aircraft.

What file sets how deep they can see you at? The one you mention.

sergei · 10-09-09, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MK2

...amazing what you don't pick up after reading the manual twice

That's not your fault. The manual is about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

There's stuff in the manual that ain't in the game, and stuff in the game that ain't in the manual.

Let Subsim be your guide

I really don't know how to change the sensor values for the planes, that's way outside my field of knowledge. Sorry mate.

gutted · 10-09-09, 01:21 PM

I dunno how to change it either, but if you want to avoid alot of air.. then dont ever be spotted by one.

i found that when one spotted me... more would come looking for me.(atleast it appeared that way).

whenever i dove deep enough to not be spotted by the random aircraft.. i had far fewer re-occurances of air sightings.

Freiwillige · 10-09-09, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sergei

If an aircraft overflys you it can see your sub down to about 150ft.

40m - what's that? About 120ft? Not deep enough I'm afraid.

To be safe I go to 180ft. Since doing this I have never been bombed by aircraft whilst underwater.

Ah just looked it up. 180ft is 55m. Try this

When they are directly above you yes, How many aircraft are looking straight down over an endless empty open ocean? If looking at a sub at any angle the water will be thicker and the sub hidden by surface glare etc.

Rockin Robbins · 10-09-09, 02:02 PM

Can you do all the right things and still die in TMO? You better betcher bippy! You are not in 100% control of your destiny there. If you require a 100% chance of evasion that is too difficult.

But I wonder how many dead submariners did all the right things? I wouldn't have it any other way.

sergei · 10-09-09, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Freiwillige

When they are directly above you yes, How many aircraft are looking straight down over an endless empty open ocean? If looking at a sub at any angle the water will be thicker and the sub hidden by surface glare etc.

In real life? Probably none.
I was referring to TMO planes only.
Those buggers ALWAYS look down!

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10-08-09, 10:31 PM	#16
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Personally, the only time i wont do a submerged daylight attack, is if it's in shallow water. Once you get below the thermal layer, you can manuever a bit faster then you could above it. But thats not going to help you much in shallow water. If the weather is exceptionally calm, is a moment where i'll give pause, cause i know ill be in for it, but end up attacking anyway. Takes awhile in that situation, but i can slink away 9 out of 10 times.

10-08-09, 10:38 PM	#17
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	Oh dont get me wrong, i'll attack during the daylight as well. It's just that i get alot more succes at night on the surface. During the daytime while submerged, there's a really good chance that i will get spotted at some point (or they'll be looking for me) before the torpedos leave the boat unless the weather is slanted in my favor. maybe i just need more time with it though. Haven't had enough chances vs. a convoy at daylight yet to make any final judgments.

10-09-09, 12:17 AM	#18
zippykat Swabbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	I'm pretty much looking for calm weather so I can have a chance at a halfway decent firing solution. The two depth charge attacks I did survive I went down t60m, dropped to 1/3, did a hard turn and flank speed when i heard the sonar go off prior to the charges being dropped, flank speed for about 45-60 seconds and then try and make my profile small at 1/3 and slink away. It took a few tries, but the flank speed burst helped get me out of the way of the depth charges and avoid damage until i finally guessed right on my route of escape and snuck away.

10-09-09, 01:21 PM	#22
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	I dunno how to change it either, but if you want to avoid alot of air.. then dont ever be spotted by one. i found that when one spotted me... more would come looking for me.(atleast it appeared that way). whenever i dove deep enough to not be spotted by the random aircraft.. i had far fewer re-occurances of air sightings.