VIIB vs. VIIC What is the difference? - Page 2

BulSoldier · 06-28-09, 10:35 AM

Oh how i dream of type 9 but ever since i sunk german merchant raider type 9 is just out of my reach, atleast until 42 (in witch i hope to have the fuel to go visit america

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Jimbuna · 06-28-09, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pohl

Still 1 year and 6 months for it to become avilable

hopefully I'll gather the renown needed for it....something near 12k and I have like 4k

Oodles of time

Akmatov · 06-28-09, 01:57 PM

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i sunk German merchant raider

That is something I had never thought of. How would you know that it was a German merchant raider? They certainly would not be flying a German ensign. And if you did sink it, seems unfair that you would get spanked.

BulSoldier · 06-28-09, 02:23 PM

In dark nights, with darkened ships in hostile waters.That was in norwegian waters during norwagian invasion so i guess i should have been more careful.Few days later in the same patrol i almost did it again close to scapa flow (i know weird place for german raiders) but it was day and i said to myself, lets check the flag for extra reasurence...

Graf Paper · 06-28-09, 02:25 PM

If you're playing with the GWX mod, I'd say you're better off saving your renown points and skipping over the VIIC completely to the VIIC/41 (with the optional 'GWX VIIC/41 playable sub' mod enabled to get all the proper stats). The VIIB is adequate for the job until 1942, anyways, but improvements in enemy ASW technology and tactics make survival a tough proposition if you don't upgrade and the VIIB is very limited in what can be retro-fitted.

The VIIC/41 has a thicker pressure hull and can dive much deeper than either the VIIB or VIIC. I think the crush depth is around 280 meters, versus the 240 of the VIIB and 260 of the VIIC, which means you can easily dive to between 240-260 meters before you risk damaging your boat. The VIIC/42 can go even deeper still.

Going as deep as possible can save your skin when those escorts are hammering away with depth charges and locked on to your exact position with ASDIC. (If only thermoclines were modeled into the game!)

Despite the GWX subs having the historically listed deeper dive stats versus the much shallower depths in stock SH3, it's somewhat annoying to have your CE babbling away about the depth long before you actually do reach critical but that's apparently hard-coded in the game.

I guess you could look at it as your CE and Hydro/Sonar man are just being nervous old ladies.

I've never been a fan of the "Seekuh" type IX series boats, preferring the more versatile size and maneuverability of the VII series. They were nicknamed "seacows" for a reason. They do tend to steer and wallow around in the water like their namesake but those big boats do have their charms such as long-range endurance and enough eels to satisfy all but the most bloodthirsty kaleuns.

I've read that a few were even spacious enough to include freezers for keeping fresh meat and other perishables on hand for those extra-long patrols of which only the IX was capable.

BulSoldier · 06-28-09, 02:41 PM

Ive always liked the late war siluete (spL?) of tyoe 9 that looks like surface ships with all of its AA guns and the allmighty 105mm

Graf Paper · 06-29-09, 05:10 AM

Yeah, a late-war XI is an impressive sight, bristling with guns as she is.

As big as the IX/D2 was, you have to wonder why they didn't try outfitting her with a twin 88mm turret instead of the single 105mm. Then again, maybe they did try it?

It would have been a sight to see if the "U-Cruiser" had been produced, with those four big guns, paired fore and aft. There were even plans to copy Japanese designs for those impractical, but ingenious, submersible aircraft carriers.

For all we know about World War II, we've already lost so much knowledge about that world-shaping conflict which affects our lives over a half-century later and, likely, far into the future. Historians are constantly rediscovering new facts that requires rewriting some of the books.

06-28-09, 10:35 AM	#16
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Oh how i dream of type 9 but ever since i sunk german merchant raider type 9 is just out of my reach, atleast until 42 (in witch i hope to have the fuel to go visit america ) __________________ By the hour !

06-28-09, 02:23 PM	#19
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	In dark nights, with darkened ships in hostile waters.That was in norwegian waters during norwagian invasion so i guess i should have been more careful.Few days later in the same patrol i almost did it again close to scapa flow (i know weird place for german raiders) but it was day and i said to myself, lets check the flag for extra reasurence... __________________ By the hour !

06-28-09, 02:25 PM	#20
Graf Paper Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest United States Posts: 1,146 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 2	If you're playing with the GWX mod, I'd say you're better off saving your renown points and skipping over the VIIC completely to the VIIC/41 (with the optional 'GWX VIIC/41 playable sub' mod enabled to get all the proper stats). The VIIB is adequate for the job until 1942, anyways, but improvements in enemy ASW technology and tactics make survival a tough proposition if you don't upgrade and the VIIB is very limited in what can be retro-fitted. The VIIC/41 has a thicker pressure hull and can dive much deeper than either the VIIB or VIIC. I think the crush depth is around 280 meters, versus the 240 of the VIIB and 260 of the VIIC, which means you can easily dive to between 240-260 meters before you risk damaging your boat. The VIIC/42 can go even deeper still. Going as deep as possible can save your skin when those escorts are hammering away with depth charges and locked on to your exact position with ASDIC. (If only thermoclines were modeled into the game!) Despite the GWX subs having the historically listed deeper dive stats versus the much shallower depths in stock SH3, it's somewhat annoying to have your CE babbling away about the depth long before you actually do reach critical but that's apparently hard-coded in the game. I guess you could look at it as your CE and Hydro/Sonar man are just being nervous old ladies. I've never been a fan of the "Seekuh" type IX series boats, preferring the more versatile size and maneuverability of the VII series. They were nicknamed "seacows" for a reason. They do tend to steer and wallow around in the water like their namesake but those big boats do have their charms such as long-range endurance and enough eels to satisfy all but the most bloodthirsty kaleuns. I've read that a few were even spacious enough to include freezers for keeping fresh meat and other perishables on hand for those extra-long patrols of which only the IX was capable. __________________ Still sailing the high seas, hunting convoys with those who join me.

06-28-09, 02:41 PM	#21
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Ive always liked the late war siluete (spL?) of tyoe 9 that looks like surface ships with all of its AA guns and the allmighty 105mm __________________ By the hour !

06-29-09, 05:10 AM	#22
Graf Paper Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest United States Posts: 1,146 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 2	Yeah, a late-war XI is an impressive sight, bristling with guns as she is. As big as the IX/D2 was, you have to wonder why they didn't try outfitting her with a twin 88mm turret instead of the single 105mm. Then again, maybe they did try it? It would have been a sight to see if the "U-Cruiser" had been produced, with those four big guns, paired fore and aft. There were even plans to copy Japanese designs for those impractical, but ingenious, submersible aircraft carriers. For all we know about World War II, we've already lost so much knowledge about that world-shaping conflict which affects our lives over a half-century later and, likely, far into the future. Historians are constantly rediscovering new facts that requires rewriting some of the books. __________________ Still sailing the high seas, hunting convoys with those who join me.