Dept of Homeland Insecurity possibly banning all pocket knifes? - Page 2

Sailor Steve · 06-16-09, 02:04 PM

Neal, how can you say this is nothing? If they take my pocket knife, will my steak knives be next? My steak itself? What will I eat? Will I be able to wear my machete on the street? It has a sheath. Will I have to get a license to carry a concealed fork?

HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF FREAKING OUT? IT FREAKING TICKS ME OFF!

06-16-09, 02:41 PM

I heard some where that is why we have butter knives today. Some French king was threatened by his guests bringing traditional knives to the table. He instituded rounded less leathal cutlery be provided.

Skybird · 06-16-09, 02:42 PM

Forbidding pocket knifes - in a country were semi-automatic rifles are allowed and an estimated minimum of 80 million firearms is legally owned by householders.

Just imagining it makes me burst with laughter.

Boys, get a Swiss officer knife. It makes you feel good. Really. It makes something with you. The shark in the sea, the bear in the forest, the plane in the vertical dive, the splinter in your eye - you know you are prepared for everything, no matter what!

Do not come between me and my Swiss pocket knife!

Now to something different. I also have a compass. A Swiss army compass, by Recta...

AVGWarhawk · 06-16-09, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Forbidding pocket knifes - in a country were semi-automatic rifles are allowed and an estimated minimum of 80 million firearms is legally owned by householders.

Just imagining it makes me burst with laughter.

Boys, get a Swiss officer knife. It makes you feel good. Really. It makes something with you. The shark in the sea, the bear in the forest, the plane in the vertical dive, the splinter in your eye - you know you are prepared for everything, no matter what!

Do not come between me and my Swiss pocket knife!

Now to something different. I also have a compass. A Swiss army compass, by Recta...

It is kind of funny Skybird if you think about it.

06-16-09, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It is kind of funny Skybird if you think about it.

Not as funny when you realize that even the Swiss Army Knife or two x four when used properly is a deadly weapon that can be purchased in the local Walmart, or Home Depot.

AVGWarhawk · 06-16-09, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo

Not as funny when you realize that even the Swiss Army Knife or two x four when used properly is a deadly weapon that can be purchased in the local Walmart, or Home Depot.

The point is taking away a knife yet you can go to Walmart and pick up a 30/30

It does not make sense.

Platapus · 06-16-09, 03:24 PM

A few years ago I was visiting an ex-coworker in a government facility. I saw him trying to unpack this mountain of cardboard boxes by stabbing them with a ball point pen and then ripping the cardboard off.

I handed him my Swiss Army Knife but was told that this was not allowed in this facility.

WTF?

This government agency had a zero tolerance to any type of weapon. I have been carrying a SAK since I was 8 years old. With the exception of Basic Training, I can't remember any period of my life when I did not have a SAK on me.

Needless to say, I violated federal law by quickly slicing open all of his boxes and then escaping to saner organizations.

Banning Swiss Army Knives in the facility? My dyin arse!

06-16-09, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The point is taking away a knife yet you can go to Walmart and pick up a 30/30

It does not make sense.

Since 1994 attempting to remove firearms from the US population has been and is a nightmare politically. But like everything else it is being attempted in small, 'slippery slope', intervals.

FIREWALL · 06-16-09, 04:16 PM

I don't carry a pocket knife. I have a very sharp p38 on my keyring that will cut string, clean under my nails and will slit a throat from ear to ear.

And it's made it thru AP security for as long as I can remember.

Onkel Neal · 06-16-09, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Neal, how can you say this is nothing? If they take my pocket knife, will my steak knives be next? My steak itself? What will I eat? Will I be able to wear my machete on the street? It has a sheath. Will I have to get a license to carry a concealed fork?

HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF FREAKING OUT? IT FREAKING TICKS ME OFF!

We all have to go vegetarian, I suppose.

Skybird · 06-16-09, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

We all have to go vegetarian, I suppose.

What - no more football...?

Skybird · 06-16-09, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo

Not as funny when you realize that even the Swiss Army Knife or two x four when used properly is a deadly weapon that can be purchased in the local Walmart, or Home Depot.

You can even use a pencil as a Kubotan, which can be - if properly handled - as painful and as lethal as you want.

FIREWALL · 06-16-09, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

I don't carry a pocket knife. I have a very sharp p38 on my keyring that will cut string, clean under my nails and will slit a throat from ear to ear.

And it's made it thru AP security for as long as I can remember.

http://www.georgia-outfitters.com/page52.shtml

06-16-09, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

You can even use a pencil as a Kubotan, which can be - if properly handled - as painful and as lethal as you want.

I think that is my point. To make one thing less or more lethal than the other is merely a matter of efficiency, not lethality.

Skybird · 06-16-09, 04:56 PM

But it costs much more time and determination to learn how to use a Kubotan for defence or "behavior enforcement", than it takes to learn how to use a gun or a knife for killing. Every retarded idiot can shoot a gun at somebody standing at a social distance, that must not be learned in principle, you must not be a trained athlete nor a healthy person or a blessed genius to do that. It must not even be explained to almost nobody. Learning to effectively use a Kubotan, or a spoon or a pencil, takes much more investement. And a sword also is a dedicated "to kill only" item, like a gun. Nevertheless it is much more demanding to learn how to master a sword, than it is to effectively use a gun. Tools and weapons are not the same. A tool has a diverse range of possible uses, a weapon only one. thertefore it makes little sense to compare the reduction of availability of weapons with the reduction in avalabuility of any tool. "Cars and traffic accidents" is often given as an antidot-argument in the debate over firearms. And that argument for that reason never has worked - it simply makes no sense to compare tools and weapons.

06-16-09, 02:04 PM	#16
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Neal, how can you say this is nothing? If they take my pocket knife, will my steak knives be next? My steak itself? What will I eat? Will I be able to wear my machete on the street? It has a sheath. Will I have to get a license to carry a concealed fork? HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF FREAKING OUT? IT FREAKING TICKS ME OFF! __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-16-09, 02:42 PM	#18
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,613 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Forbidding pocket knifes - in a country were semi-automatic rifles are allowed and an estimated minimum of 80 million firearms is legally owned by householders. Just imagining it makes me burst with laughter. Boys, get a Swiss officer knife. It makes you feel good. Really. It makes something with you. The shark in the sea, the bear in the forest, the plane in the vertical dive, the splinter in your eye - you know you are prepared for everything, no matter what! Do not come between me and my Swiss pocket knife! Now to something different. I also have a compass. A Swiss army compass, by Recta... __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-16-09, 03:24 PM	#22
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	A few years ago I was visiting an ex-coworker in a government facility. I saw him trying to unpack this mountain of cardboard boxes by stabbing them with a ball point pen and then ripping the cardboard off. I handed him my Swiss Army Knife but was told that this was not allowed in this facility. WTF? This government agency had a zero tolerance to any type of weapon. I have been carrying a SAK since I was 8 years old. With the exception of Basic Training, I can't remember any period of my life when I did not have a SAK on me. Needless to say, I violated federal law by quickly slicing open all of his boxes and then escaping to saner organizations. Banning Swiss Army Knives in the facility? My dyin arse! __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

06-16-09, 04:16 PM	#24
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I don't carry a pocket knife. I have a very sharp p38 on my keyring that will cut string, clean under my nails and will slit a throat from ear to ear. And it's made it thru AP security for as long as I can remember. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

06-16-09, 04:56 PM	#30
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,613 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	But it costs much more time and determination to learn how to use a Kubotan for defence or "behavior enforcement", than it takes to learn how to use a gun or a knife for killing. Every retarded idiot can shoot a gun at somebody standing at a social distance, that must not be learned in principle, you must not be a trained athlete nor a healthy person or a blessed genius to do that. It must not even be explained to almost nobody. Learning to effectively use a Kubotan, or a spoon or a pencil, takes much more investement. And a sword also is a dedicated "to kill only" item, like a gun. Nevertheless it is much more demanding to learn how to master a sword, than it is to effectively use a gun. Tools and weapons are not the same. A tool has a diverse range of possible uses, a weapon only one. thertefore it makes little sense to compare the reduction of availability of weapons with the reduction in avalabuility of any tool. "Cars and traffic accidents" is often given as an antidot-argument in the debate over firearms. And that argument for that reason never has worked - it simply makes no sense to compare tools and weapons. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-16-09, 02:41 PM	#17
CastleBravo Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I heard some where that is why we have butter knives today. Some French king was threatened by his guests bringing traditional knives to the table. He instituded rounded less leathal cutlery be provided.