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AVGWarhawk · 03-12-09, 01:48 PM

Rambo was not real

This changes everything

03-12-09, 02:32 PM

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I liked JFK, if for no other reason then for the very tense atmosphere and a good thriller that it is. It's not really meant to be a historical document or 100% real so one should not view it as such.

Then why make the movie about a real person then? Stone deliberately attempted to blur the line between fantasy and reality. Something he does in all his movies. There are going to be people who will believe that's what happened and that's wrong imo.

Do you have a problem with movies that do the same but might be seen to convey a conservative/republican message instead? There is plenty of US made war films that do that and more. Are you saying that you can't handle one measly film about JFK but can handle, say, Rambo I, II, III & IV etc.?

I didn't think Rambo was based on a real person or actual events.

Vietnam war never happened? The war in Afghanistan never happened? The muhajadeen of Afghanistan (read: Taliban, Al Queda) never existed?

Interesting 'logic' you got going there.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: is this a real arguement ?

"Arguement"? What language is that, Danish?

03-12-09, 02:36 PM

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Vietnam war never happened? The war in Afghanistan never happened? The muhajadeen of Afghanistan (read: Taliban, Al Queda) never existed?

Interesting 'logic' you got going there.

Just because there is a real New York city doesn't mean there are Aliens preparing to blow it up ala "Independence Day".

You're confusing the movie character with the movie setting. Rambo is a fictional character whose fictional exploits are obviously, just that, fictional.

JFK was a movie about a real person which falsely portrays the facts surrounding that real persons life and death.

Even you can see the difference, can't you?

A lie is a lie, no matter what you call it. It's ok to lie about 'settings' but not about 'characters'? What a warped logic you claim to espouse. Hollywood produces lies, pure and simple.

Personally I don't consider Stone to be 'anti-American' or anything of that sort, I'd say he's a typical Hollywood director.

Sailor Steve · 03-12-09, 02:47 PM

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Never liked Platoon. I did like Full Metal Jacket as a Vietnam representative movie.

I enjoyed Platoon, even though, as mentioned the 'war within the war' between Tom Berenger and Willem Dafoe was unnecessary. I would have liked it more if it was just a "soldier's story". Full Metal Jacket? Not Stone, of course, but since you brought it up I'll cheerfully admit that I hated it. From the kid snapping and shooting R. Lee Ermey to most of the inner-city combat scenes, I thought it was unrealistic and awful.

Didn't see JFK. Did love Born On The Fourth Of July. Liked The Doors. Thought Nixon was surprisingly fair, and liked Alexander more than I thought I would.

Enigma · 03-12-09, 02:54 PM

The Doors and 4th of July were great. Nixon put me to sleep every time I tried watching it. Ho hum....

03-12-09, 02:58 PM

There aren't that many movies based on the Vietnam war that are 'soldier's stories', that is made from the point of view of an average soldier and hopefully as realistic as possible. And the ones that are out there tend to be fairly inaccurate or imbellished.

There's a movie called 84C MoPic, a Vietnam war movie made from a kind of Blair Witch Project - point of view of a camera crew. I saw it some time ago and it's pretty interesting for a small budget movie.

Sailor Steve · 03-12-09, 03:05 PM

I enjoyed The Boys in Company C more than any Vietnam flick I've seen.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077270/sales

August · 03-12-09, 03:26 PM

"We Were Soldiers" was fairly accurate as well.

August · 03-12-09, 03:29 PM

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A lie is a lie, no matter what you call it. It's ok to lie about 'settings' but not about 'characters'? What a warped logic you claim to espouse.

Nobody is talking about lying about settings here Herring...

Stop being so obtuse.

03-12-09, 03:45 PM

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A lie is a lie, no matter what you call it. It's ok to lie about 'settings' but not about 'characters'? What a warped logic you claim to espouse.

Nobody is talking about lying about settings here Herring...

Stop being so obtuse.

Well why don't you elaborate about what characters did Stone lie about in JFK? David Ferrie? Clay Shaw? Lee Harvey Oswald?

You act as if Stone made some outrageous claim like for example "JFK didn't send any combat troops to Vietnam". Now that would be a lie.

August · 03-12-09, 05:22 PM

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A lie is a lie, no matter what you call it. It's ok to lie about 'settings' but not about 'characters'? What a warped logic you claim to espouse.

Nobody is talking about lying about settings here Herring...

Stop being so obtuse.

Well why don't you elaborate about what characters did Stone lie about in JFK? David Ferrie? Clay Shaw? Lee Harvey Oswald?

You act as if Stone made some outrageous claim like for example "JFK didn't send any combat troops to Vietnam". Now that would be a lie.

Why do I need to? Are you claiming that Stones "JFK" is an accurate portrayal of the Kennedy assassination and the subsequent events?

03-12-09, 05:51 PM

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Why do I need to? Are you claiming that Stones "JFK" is an accurate portrayal of the Kennedy assassination and the subsequent events?

No, it was you who claimed that

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Then why make the movie about a real person then? Stone deliberately attempted to blur the line between fantasy and reality. Something he does in all his movies. There are going to be people who will believe that's what happened and that's wrong imo.

What real person are you talking about then? JFK? Can't remember much of him from the movie, except newsreel footage, the Zapruder film etc.

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Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	The Doors and 4th of July were great. Nixon put me to sleep every time I tried watching it. Ho hum.... __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

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Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I enjoyed The Boys in Company C more than any Vietnam flick I've seen. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077270/sales __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,199 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"We Were Soldiers" was fairly accurate as well. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	There aren't that many movies based on the Vietnam war that are 'soldier's stories', that is made from the point of view of an average soldier and hopefully as realistic as possible. And the ones that are out there tend to be fairly inaccurate or imbellished. There's a movie called 84C MoPic, a Vietnam war movie made from a kind of Blair Witch Project - point of view of a camera crew. I saw it some time ago and it's pretty interesting for a small budget movie.