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02-21-09, 06:34 AM

i think some of you are getting confused, or maybe just me. these are british subs.

i accidently made one off these, it was the afterbirth of the playable bismarck mod. had a massive gun jammed over my deck gun, fired two shells, the reloaded.

BasilY · 02-21-09, 10:21 AM

But how will the recoil effect the sub? Especially if you fire the gun at a 90 degree angle?

Jimbuna · 02-21-09, 02:07 PM

I doubt the weapon could be traversed 90 degrees....more a case of the sub being pointed in the general direction of the target and the weapon being able to reverse 30 degrees or so.

02-21-09, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I doubt the weapon could be traversed 90 degrees....more a case of the sub being pointed in the general direction of the target and the weapon being able to reverse 30 degrees or so.

sure looks like it, but i think the surcoafs guns could be turned.

A Very Super Market · 02-21-09, 03:31 PM

I.. uh, don't know what surcoafs means..

bookworm_020 · 02-22-09, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by magicsub2

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I doubt the weapon could be traversed 90 degrees....more a case of the sub being pointed in the general direction of the target and the weapon being able to reverse 30 degrees or so.

sure looks like it, but i think the surcoafs guns could be turned.

The Surcouf could rotate the guns, but still only a limited axis. The weight of the guns was alot lot less than the M1 single gun. The M1 could only elevate or depress the gun and it could only be reloaded on the surface.

02-22-09, 05:00 PM

surcoafs a french sub that could carry aircraft, like sen toku. it had a double gun turret out front.

Youpime · 06-01-09, 08:20 AM

Even huge, the Surcouf was not a bad sub : it escaped Brest to join the FFL and it was not sunk by an enemy : it was accidently bombed by a us catalina.

Pepe le Moko · 06-01-09, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

I.. uh, don't know what surcoafs means..

Surcouf was a famous French corsair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Surcouf

Robert Surcouf (12 December 1773–8 July 1827) was a famous French corsair. During his legendary career, he captured 47 ships and was renowned for his gallantry and chivalry, earning the nickname of Roi des Corsaires ("King of Corsairs").

Jimbuna · 06-01-09, 01:24 PM

They are meaning the French submarine of WWII era:

http://www.avalanchepress.com/Surcouf.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surcouf_(N_N_3)

Pepe le Moko · 06-01-09, 01:42 PM

Oh of course yes, I read the thread these pictures are impressive.
It is funny though how different countries name their ships.

And I can't resist quoting that wiki article about Surcouf :

Discussing with a British officer:

"You French fight for money, while we British fight for honour."
"A man fights for what he lacks the most!"

I never realized he was the one who said that.

Blacklight · 06-01-09, 02:00 PM

I'm seeing the sub doing a barrel roll with every shot !

Captain Birdseye · 06-01-09, 08:42 PM

Funny that,

On the channel Yesterday a documentary on the M1 vessel was aired. Historians went down to the wreck and found that the crew had tried to open the hatch in a last ditch attempt to get out, this was while the sub was nestled on the sea bed.

A very tragic and sad story.

Bronzewing · 06-02-09, 03:24 AM

Yeah, the M boats were BADLY overloaded by that 12" gun.
They were designated as "Monitor Submarines" although it was recorded at that time that; "The term is used, for want of a better one". Crew's called them Mutton boats because the gun mounting resembled a leg of mutton. As far as I can see it was an early equivilent of cruise missile submarines of today, bombarding land based targets from coastal waters. Although there also seems to have been a serious proposal to use the M boats to hunt down enemy cruisers...

bookworm_020 · 06-02-09, 08:59 PM

The gun was seen as a alternative to torpedos of the day which were considered not to be as effective as a gun in some situations.

The Surcouf would have an interesting sub for the pacific, with little use of convoy tactics and limited escort co-ordination by the Japanese. American sub commanders had been crying out for years for bigger guns (5' instead of the 3' and 4' that were mounted) and more of them (some U.S. subs were fired with two 5' guns and rangefinder toward the end of the war and proved effective against what shipping remained)

02-21-09, 02:07 PM	#18
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,615 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I doubt the weapon could be traversed 90 degrees....more a case of the sub being pointed in the general direction of the target and the weapon being able to reverse 30 degrees or so. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-21-09, 03:31 PM	#20
A Very Super Market The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Deep in the Wild Canadian suburbs. Posts: 1,468 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I.. uh, don't know what surcoafs means.. __________________ The entire German garrison of Vanviken, right here in your thread!

06-01-09, 08:20 AM	#23
Youpime Bilge Rat Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Even huge, the Surcouf was not a bad sub : it escaped Brest to join the FFL and it was not sunk by an enemy : it was accidently bombed by a us catalina. __________________ SH3 inertia is nearly realistic

06-01-09, 01:24 PM	#25
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,615 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	They are meaning the French submarine of WWII era: http://www.avalanchepress.com/Surcouf.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surcouf_(N_N_3) __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-01-09, 01:42 PM	#26
Pepe le Moko A-ganger Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 73 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	Oh of course yes, I read the thread these pictures are impressive. It is funny though how different countries name their ships. And I can't resist quoting that wiki article about Surcouf : Discussing with a British officer: "You French fight for money, while we British fight for honour." "A man fights for what he lacks the most!" I never realized he was the one who said that.

02-21-09, 06:34 AM	#16
magicsub2 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	i think some of you are getting confused, or maybe just me. these are british subs. i accidently made one off these, it was the afterbirth of the playable bismarck mod. had a massive gun jammed over my deck gun, fired two shells, the reloaded.

02-21-09, 10:21 AM	#17
BasilY Weps Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 359 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	But how will the recoil effect the sub? Especially if you fire the gun at a 90 degree angle?

02-22-09, 05:00 PM	#22
magicsub2 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	surcoafs a french sub that could carry aircraft, like sen toku. it had a double gun turret out front.

06-01-09, 02:00 PM	#27
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	I'm seeing the sub doing a barrel roll with every shot ! __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"

06-01-09, 08:42 PM	#28
Captain Birdseye Watch Officer Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sat behind my desk at BdU tapping away on my Enigma machine. Posts: 339 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Funny that, On the channel Yesterday a documentary on the M1 vessel was aired. Historians went down to the wreck and found that the crew had tried to open the hatch in a last ditch attempt to get out, this was while the sub was nestled on the sea bed. A very tragic and sad story.

06-02-09, 03:24 AM	#29
Bronzewing Helmsman Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Leicester Posts: 104 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Yeah, the M boats were BADLY overloaded by that 12" gun. They were designated as "Monitor Submarines" although it was recorded at that time that; "The term is used, for want of a better one". Crew's called them Mutton boats because the gun mounting resembled a leg of mutton. As far as I can see it was an early equivilent of cruise missile submarines of today, bombarding land based targets from coastal waters. Although there also seems to have been a serious proposal to use the M boats to hunt down enemy cruisers... __________________ "I say Number one, my end is diving. What the hell is your end doing?"

06-02-09, 08:59 PM	#30
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The gun was seen as a alternative to torpedos of the day which were considered not to be as effective as a gun in some situations. The Surcouf would have an interesting sub for the pacific, with little use of convoy tactics and limited escort co-ordination by the Japanese. American sub commanders had been crying out for years for bigger guns (5' instead of the 3' and 4' that were mounted) and more of them (some U.S. subs were fired with two 5' guns and rangefinder toward the end of the war and proved effective against what shipping remained) __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"