Sea Shepherd Tactics Utterly Failing.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by rubenandthejets

Zero income from unharvested whales?

Whale watching is a multi million dollar industry in Australia and New Zealand.

Whale meat sits unsold in shops all over Japan. The only reason it's still happening here is because its a vote buying rort.

Fair enough. I did not take into account the use of whales as part of the tourist industry.I cede that point.
Nonetheless I think it is fair to say that the percentage of people who take tours into the antarctic oceans solely for the purpose of whale watching is negligible and that harvesting whales in this area does provide income for Japanese families.

edit- darn it. I meant to provide some figures relating to the annual income of the Japanese whaling industry and I forgot. Please wait until I can dig them up, I know I've got the book somewhere. Otherwise, just disregard this post.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Neptunus Rex

The whale hunting is not the issue, but this policy of "the end justifies the means". What the "preservationists" are doing is piracy. I'd like to put a MK-48 into 'em.

Mk-48s are EXTREMELY expensive. You dont use them lightly.

Once they get fed up the defense forces will more than likely use a Harpoon.

Tho with them sitting so close to the factory ship. They may even decide to use cannon instead.

And yes I agree they are pirates. They fly the pirate flag and have attempted to board and sink one of the whaling ships.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by rubenandthejets

Zero income from unharvested whales?

Whale watching is a multi million dollar industry in Australia and New Zealand.

Whale meat sits unsold in shops all over Japan. The only reason it's still happening here is because its a vote buying rort.

This is the root cause of the issue. The people will not give in to Sea Shepherd. The only reasons the whalers get to hunt is because of nationalism. And Sea Shepherd tactics make that more prevalent.

[Zachstar]

And here we go video showing that it was the whalers who were rammed not Sea Shepherd.



Edit: On DU is now down to a few nutjobs defending SS. The video clearly shows that the whalers were rammed and you ought to see the excuses flying for it.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Mk-48s are EXTREMELY expensive. You dont use them lightly.

Once they get fed up the defense forces will more than likely use a Harpoon.

Tho with them sitting so close to the factory ship. They may even decide to use cannon instead.

And yes I agree they are pirates. They fly the pirate flag and have attempted to board and sink one of the whaling ships.

Maybe the British still have some old Mark '8' torpedoes. Used them to sink the Belgrano. That should be sufficient enough. And they ought to be cheap, too.

EDIT:
Or do what the French did with the 'Rainbow Warrior'.. well need to work on the 'not getting caught' part, though.

[Zachstar]

Funny thing is one of their own clips shows the same thing with MORE clarity!

They can't even run a PR campaign anymore. They are likely running with fumes for reserve fuel and are unable to chase the harpoon vessels (where they would get far more effective material in images of whales being killed)

Its over. Eventually they will limp back to their hellhole and await charges of piracy to finally come. (Which is why they are desperate for money likely)

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Thomen

Maybe the British still have some old Mark '8' torpedoes. Used them to sink the Belgrano. That should be sufficient enough. And they ought to be cheap, too.

EDIT:
Or do what the French did with the 'Rainbow Warrior'.. well need to work on the 'not getting caught' part, though.

You dont want to use a torpedo is such close proximity period. If they have to they may be able to set a harpoon just right to lock onto the "Steve Irwin" but that too is too risky.

The crew dreams of dying for their cause. Do not think for a second that he would not maneuver his boat so that a hit would badly damage or decimate the factory ship. (Oh and yes he is obviously listening for a TIW)

They dont need to be sunk just yet tho. It is HIGHLY unlikely they will have the funds to go out next year. It is now an embarrassment to be known to associate with Sea Shepherd.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

You dont want to use a torpedo is such close proximity period. If they have to they may be able to set a harpoon just right to lock onto the "Steve Irwin" but that too is too risky.

The crew dreams of dying for their cause. Do not think for a second that he would not maneuver his boat so that a hit would badly damage or decimate the factory ship. (Oh and yes he is obviously listening for a TIW)

They dont need to be sunk just yet tho. It is HIGHLY unlikely they will have the funds to go out next year. It is now an embarrassment to be known to associate with Sea Shepherd.

Proximity to what? They have to get where they go some how. If they stay in a harbor, blow a hole in the hull there and let them sink. This way, even the crew might survive.

I am surprised that they made it that long anyways, without getting arrested, charged, jailed or sunk.

[Zachstar]

Why? Arrest the crew with a helo assault in transit and seize the ship. They will moan and complain but it is far easier and much less loss of life compared to a torpedo strike.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Why? Arrest the crew with a helo assault in transit and seize the ship. They will moan and complain but it is far easier and much less loss of life compared to a torpedo strike.

If you do that, you have again the issue of making them martyrs, they are just not dead.. but go to jail and are tried by an (to them} unfriendly country. But on the other hand, who's jurisdiction would it be if they get snagged on high seas? Japanese? American? UN?

[Zachstar]

The courts in Japan of course. The UN will never defend the actions of them no matter how hard they claim otherwise.

They may even win the case. But it will drain so much money and support and will mean they have to tell how the magic bullet story was utter bull****.

[SandyCaesar]

Best weapon to use against them: how their pirate tactics are harming the environmentalist cause. From what I know, many of the green groups have disowned this group for their illegal actions.

Failing that, the old Mk8 standby sounds particularly attractive...

[A Very Super Market]

We can only ignore them. Any action against them will just be labelled as "brutality" or something stupid.

[rubenandthejets]

Most whale watching is done close to the NZ and Australin coasts.

Whales are migratory-they swim north in the Antarctic winter and have their babies in the waters around 35-25 degrees S. The whale watching boats (ironically following the same routes as the old shore based longboat whalers) stay within sight of land.

While your checking the details of the money generated by te whalng industry here, please remember to deduct the massive subsidies that the Japanese goverment pays to tiny natios on the IWC to bribe them into tacit support of their continued "scientific" whaling program.

Any way you want to do the math, it will always come out in the red.

[FIREWALL]

The Whales will be extinct some day and I can only hope the posters that thought them a joke will join them.

In this time they are not a renewable resourse and are not on anybodys list as one.

Wake up, there not on any Goverments or Big Moneys list
for future survival.

And thats BS that there a food sourse for a countries survival.