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Old 01-16-09, 07:34 PM   #16
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It was sent (clicked) several times and, as I said, I validated the PK dials were updated and reflected exactly what I said they reflected.
I have re-read this thread and you didn't say that at all. At no point did you say you had entered the information twice, or that you had validated the PK dials were updated. I can only give advice based on information posted, not information you thought had been posted. I can't do anything about that.

After all, I was polite enough to not point out that a target with an AOB of 90 degrees to starboard could not possibly be approaching .
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Old 01-16-09, 08:16 PM   #17
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Hold it Nisgeis you're sounding like aaronblood!:rotfl:

Hey it could be worse. My power supply shipped by UPS 3-day shipping left Monday, projected arrival time: Monday. "3 days" has been redefined!
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Old 01-16-09, 09:35 PM   #18
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It was sent (clicked) several times and, as I said, I validated the PK dials were updated and reflected exactly what I said they reflected.
I have re-read this thread and you didn't say that at all. At no point did you say you had entered the information twice, or that you had validated the PK dials were updated. I can only give advice based on information posted, not information you thought had been posted. I can't do anything about that.

After all, I was polite enough to not point out that a target with an AOB of 90 degrees to starboard could not possibly be approaching .
A target approaching from the left is entered in the TDC as 90°S. AoB is described from the approaching ship's perspective, and it most certainly is either 90°S (if approaching from left) or 90°P (if approaching from right) and you're setting your TDC for a future ambush on the approachng target. My intent was to be clear on which direction the nose of the ship was pointing so I wouldn't have people suggesting that I entered the AoB backwards.

No, I was saying "as I said" as in the dials appeared to have the correct solution... Before the "as I said" part I mentioned that I did click several times. But those several clicks were before the final mark click and I wasn't completely sure if I D-clicked on the last mark. So I also acknowledged that I would try your multi-clicking suggestion as I wasn't completely sure.

I knew that on the last mark click I saw one of the dials move with (at least) a single click, I assumed that was the TDC updating for the final mark. But I did want to test your D-click on the final mark suggestion just to be sure. ...and I appreciate very much, that suggestion.
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Old 01-16-09, 09:40 PM   #19
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But anyway... semantics, and I appreciate that forum posts are rather impersonal. So peace... and I'll buy ya a beer at the Hawaiian later.

As an update I have tried the recommendation to click multiple times and I can now confirm that yes, as I click repeatedly, first the lower dial updates on the PK, and then the upper dial on the second click.

Also, I notice that if I switch to the rear tubes and click the send button multiple times with speed selected, the TDC doesn't properly update for a rear tube. If I go to the distance and click that one, then it corrects for the rear tube. This part I don't quite understand, it all seems a little haphazard at the moment, I don't know if it's just working as it should or if it's just some sort of goofy implementation in the game. But at least I'm hitting the side of the barn now.

I guess I don't mind D-clicking if I see it's setting the bottom dial and then the top dial. Now I need to study how the TDC updates as I switch from fore to aft tubes.
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Old 01-17-09, 06:49 PM   #20
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Also, I notice that if I switch to the rear tubes and click the send button multiple times with speed selected, the TDC doesn't properly update for a rear tube.
Make sure you have an aft tube selected and then send a bearing that reflects a good aft shot (180 comes to mind).
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Old 01-17-09, 09:20 PM   #21
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Yeah, pretty sure I did that, and it doesn't seem to matter... I'm not too thrilled with that send data button right now.
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Old 01-18-09, 02:01 PM   #22
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Okay, I tested an aft shot using RR's tanker quick setup ... and it worked. Each of four torps hit just slightly aft of where I aimed. Here's what I did:

1. Selected aft tube.
2. Turned PK off.
3. Sent target speed to TDC.
4. Turned scope/TBT to expected shoot bearing.
5. Sent shoot AOB (90) to TDC.*
6. Sent test range/bearing to TDC.**
7. Opened aft tubes.
8. Led target (crosshairs on the bow) as it approached 90 AOB.
9. Sent final bearing at 90 AOB and fired as juicy parts passed crosshairs!

* If AOB is not sent to TDC independant of range/bearing, updates will likely not be correct.

** The test range/bearing should be a WAG of what you expect to see when the target reaches 90 AOB. That way, you can compare the indications on the TDC ... they should reflect a fairly accurate setup.
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Old 01-18-09, 10:59 PM   #23
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Okay, I tested an aft shot using RR's tanker quick setup ... and it worked. Each of four torps hit just slightly aft of where I aimed. Here's what I did:

1. Selected aft tube.
2. Turned PK off.
3. Sent target speed to TDC.
4. Turned scope/TBT to expected shoot bearing.
5. Sent shoot AOB (90) to TDC.*
6. Sent test range/bearing to TDC.**
7. Opened aft tubes.
8. Led target (crosshairs on the bow) as it approached 90 AOB.
9. Sent final bearing at 90 AOB and fired as juicy parts passed crosshairs!

* If AOB is not sent to TDC independant of range/bearing, updates will likely not be correct.

** The test range/bearing should be a WAG of what you expect to see when the target reaches 90 AOB. That way, you can compare the indications on the TDC ... they should reflect a fairly accurate setup.
Oh no doubt it works. Most of the time I've hit stuff with it; other times the fish swim off in some strange direction. I assume in those cases it's because it wasn't enough to double-click one new data entry, I needed to d-click for 2 or more of the entries.

The WAG comment, I would agree with the distance input being close (+-200 or so), the AoB I would say should be somewere in the ballpark +-30° but it was this input that I was saving for a last refinement "Mark" bearing command with a double-click send info.
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Old 01-19-09, 12:54 PM   #24
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The WAG comment, I would agree with the distance input being close (+-200 or so), the AoB I would say should be somewere in the ballpark +-30° but it was this input that I was saving for a last refinement "Mark" bearing command with a double-click send info.
The WAG was for the test ... to see if aft tubes were completely borked when using the TDC. In a surface battle, you wouldn't have time to guesstimate anything other than target speed.

But then, when eyeballing a 90 AOB, you wouldn't really need anything else. AOB would already be set and ready for a final bearing (mark). Range would also be set ... reflecting the skipper's attack strategy.
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