Why mod SH3 and not SH4?

[Reece]

Too many bugs, I must say that modders have really done a lot with the game but there are still far too many bugs, the only good ATO supermod that is reasonable is Operation Monsun but reading the last few pages of the thread reveals still a lot of bugs, even stock ones that supposedly can't be fixed!! Our only hope is the GWX team, IMO. I hope I am proved wrong, miracles do happen!

[lutzow]

Urfish - say what You want...
This is probably Your second attack on this SH3ModsWorkshop forum

People here loves Silent Hunter 3 and You can't change this.
This is really strange - SH3 contains so many bugs - ghost-ships, CTD's after loading game which was saved in bad moments, very looooooong time spended when game is loading etc. But we love those bugs.
We accepted them because we're unable to remove them without SDK. And as Wolves from Kriegsmarine we will sinking another thousands of ships. When we sink those thousands we will paint them and dress
in new skins and sink again. Then we will research new hundreds mods because we love this game.

I tried fine mod Trigger Maru, RSRD and rest of ubermods for Pacific. Result? It's only game with booring campaign on Pacific. I'm not founded there anything what kicked my rear part of body as Silent Hunter 3 has.

There also many bugs - and this fatal scopes, microdials ,terrible interface - hundreds icons under another icons.
I wanted and tried change something but i fallen due to lack of knowledge about messing with files.
I'm simply man.

I tried Campagne Del Atlantico - after releasing and i discover potential of this mod. At least - Kriegsmarine and his hopeless fight! But that was a half year ago and this ubermod was strictly beta in spanish language.
And i thinked then - lack of time - soon GWX will make an attack on SH4 and i try again. Life is too short for playing all games which somebody makes. I'm choicing the best.
I don't know how Campagne del Atlantico looks now. And ...i don't want know.

I'm sure that GWX4.0 will be the new core for modders here and i think they (not all) will go and try.
Be sure that i try there my music mods

[evan82]

Why We like SH3? Because in the future we will have faster and stronger PC's, so when it hapends we will have much more units, ports, historical battles in this game than today. More and more for years. I can change many things in SH3 by myself. We have many wonderfull tools for this stuff. I can remodeling or create new convoys, task forces, air raids, battles via Sh3MissionEditor. I can simply change skins for my boats or many others parameters. Most of them is simply editable. I love this game and U-Boats atmosphere!

looks like Ubisoft learned nothing from it's previous buggy release of SH3 from what I heard it can be obviously seen on awry-handed made SH4

[Dietrich]

Yes, the graphics are nicer in SH4, but the gameplay is not as good and the load on the computer is much higher. To keep multiplayer performance high, this is a good reason for sticking with a solid and reliable programme.

Also, SH4 does not offer the "quantum leap" which would make it worthwhile porting all my software, files and mods over to the new system. For me, it is not just SH3, but all the other things that go with it, and which have been built up over many years. To contemplate starting again, it would mean having a much greater game than the minor increment that SH4 offers over SH3.

Mind you, I'm sure if I was starting from scratch now I would consider SH4. But I am not, which is why I've stuck with SH3. Perhaps I'll move to SH5 when it comes out... but that depends on what it is like.

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by urfisch

so, many of you wait for the gwx-team to make the work...right?

:hmm:

this is foolish. everyone can mod this game...nobody has to wait for other people to this! so, you just have to go ahead if you want a nice sh4...but nearly no one does this.

why? is my question...

If its so foolish and anyone can do it then What are YOU waiting for.... go for it Plus I see plenty of mods out there for SH4, including one that won Mod of the year according to Subsim's news pages.

I didnt know the GWX team was working on SH4..... SWEET!!!!! If ANYONE can make SH4 truly great....THEY CAN AND WILL.

[Faamecanic]

And Im sorry but SH4 lived for only 6 months on my HDD. Why... because the "wonderful varried campaign, that sent you on interesting missions" kept giving me the same mission over and over and over and over agian. This was a big fat FAIL! Keep in mind this was only with the last patch released for SH4 before the Uboat mod came out...so IM not sure if they fixed this. I couldnt justify spending $10 on a mod...if it still had the same bugs. I would have rather spend $10 on a PATCH where UBI fixed what was wrong with SH4....

Guess UBI was waiting for GWX team to fix thier game for free...like they did with SH3.

[urfisch]

Originally Posted by Faamecanic

If its so foolish and anyone can do it then What are YOU waiting for.... go for it Plus I see plenty of mods out there for SH4, including one that won Mod of the year according to Subsim's news pages.

I didnt know the GWX team was working on SH4..... SWEET!!!!! If ANYONE can make SH4 truly great....THEY CAN AND WILL.

i already started, month ago...but i wonder why so many people still do not realize, that sh4 combined with sh3-mods would be MUCH MORE better, than the best modded sh3 ever could be!!

its a simple fact.

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by urfisch

i already started, month ago...but i wonder why so many people still do not realize, that sh4 combined with sh3-mods would be MUCH MORE better, than the best modded sh3 ever could be!!

its a simple fact.

I agree.... SH4 once modded will be very good. But you cant expect teams like GWX to just throw away thier work they had in progress with SH3.

SH4 Graphics are crap...just looks like a comic book.
There is no sense of immersion - no 'feel' to it.
But you're right SH3 is a bit old now and SH4 will collect dust in the cupboard whilst I wait for a decent Sub Sim.

[Hitman]

While I have SH4 installed for my US subs careers, I definately have abandoned it for U-Boat games for now. The main reason is that I use manual targeting, and have developed my own mod to have optics and TDC in the periscope to my liking (The mod is available for NYGM and will soon be for GWX 3), and currently I'm unable to port that to SH4 because of the peculir way things work in that game -due to the newly added ability to change the game's screen resolution-.

The interface for US submarines is good enough, the stadimeter is flexible, the torpedo settings can be done from the periscope via the TDC sub-page. But in the U-Boats you simply can't; the interface was directly ported from SH3 but with all the inherent limitations of SH4, including the re-scaling of the background image which makes it impossible to put graphics in that image and expect them to remain consistent when screen res is changed. An example: A plotter in the game map created for 4:3 screen aspect ratio will no longer work if switching to 16:9 screen ratio

May be all this will get solved in the near future for talented modders, but till then I will prefer to stay with the U-Boats in SH3 and enjoy the US subs in SH4.

[sea snake]

why come to a silent hunter 3 mod shop and rip up these guys,if we like this game better so be it. i dont they go to silent hunter 4 mod forum and rant like this. if someone likes something be happy for them ,you dont complain about it. if u want 4 to get better get started, you dont need to come here and degrade what we like .

[Laufen zum Ziel]

I enjoyed this thread.

It is about time that we are able to have a discussion of
the ATO v PTO without taking shots and having the thread
blocked.

Well done everyone...

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by Laufen zum Ziel

I enjoyed this thread.

It is about time that we are able to have a discussion of
the ATO v PTO without taking shots and having the thread
blocked.

Well done everyone...

So far it has been a decent discussion with no flames.

I would be willing to bet most SH3 fans bought SH4 also (and felt let down). I dont for the life of me understand this feeling that if you love SH3 then you must hate SH4 and vice versa.... Personally if SH4 wasnt so damn bugged I would have a hard time choosing between the two.

But as of right now I will stay with GWX 3.0 because I find it more realistic and a better simulation than SH4.... Again this is without knowing if the Uboat update for sH4 fixes the crappy Warship AI that would never really try and attack me after hitting a convoy, the buggy missions, and "sub on a rail" in storms).

Now if GWX or any other mod can fix these issues...I will be using SH4...

[Hitman]

It is about time that we are able to have a discussion of
the ATO v PTO without taking shots and having the thread
blocked.

As I understand it, this NOT a discussion of ATO v PTO and, frankly, don't want to see it turn into another one We've had enough of them, and the conclusion is always the same: Choose your preferred one and enjoy, or enjoy both and let others do what they want in peace.

This is a discussion about the moddability of the games, and why SH4 has so far received less attention (ATO) than SH3. Stick to the thread theme, gentlemen, we don't need more ATO v PTO wrestling.

Thanks