Pirate 'mother ship' left in flames - Page 2

Skybird · 11-19-08, 03:05 PM

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I still think all navies ROE on these guys should be kill on site.

Exactly.

Plus going after their support on land.

MothBalls · 11-19-08, 03:45 PM

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Plus going after their support on land.

How do you know who they are? Just shoot everyone with a parrot on their shoulder and an eyepatch?

AVGWarhawk · 11-19-08, 03:49 PM

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Plus going after their support on land.

How do you know who they are? Just shoot everyone with a parrot on their shoulder and an eyepatch?

Yes! Then we move on to people who look like they just fell out of Pirates of the Carribean! No no no! There is probably black markets! Yes? Shut these down.

DeepIron · 11-19-08, 03:52 PM

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There is probably black markets! Yes? Shut these down.

What?! And watch as Somalia's economy implodes further? I dare say, I wouldn't be surprised if some the booty is being distributed "up the chain" as well!

AVGWarhawk · 11-19-08, 03:53 PM

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Just read this myself and good for them for sinking the 'mother ship'. If it were me, I would be eyeing the tanker with my cannons also. Let it burn and the 'pirates' go with it. Just setting precidence for the next one they take. Just sink'em. Maybe this is way I'm not in charge :hmm:

This would just cause a catastrophic oil spill that would affect thousands of people (not to mention animals). I don't know if that's a great idea.:hmm:

Yep. The environmental catastrophe would put a lot of Somali fishermen out of business and feed them right into the trade of piracy. I'm sure also that Vela Int'l would have something to say about sending their brand new $150 million ship to the bottom with the $100 million worth of oil. I bet maritime shipping insurance premiums would also balloon dramatically.

What catastrophe? They should be deploying clean up ships and booms right now. Like I said, damned if we do damned if we don't. Ok, we blow up the ship. Flames, leaking oil. We are there for immediate response on clean up. If we do a commando raid, boom, the pirates blow it up instead. Flames, leaking oil. We are there to clean it up immediately. OK, we pay a ransom of $150 million...we still may not get the ship back in one piece. No guarantees in this situation. Furthermore, if we do get the ship back, we have done nothing but financed their next high seas adventure

AVGWarhawk · 11-19-08, 03:56 PM

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There is probably black markets! Yes? Shut these down.

What?! And watch as Somalia's economy implodes further? I dare say, I wouldn't be surprised if some the booty is being distributed "up the chain" as well!

There is booty involved here:hmm:

Skybird · 11-19-08, 04:18 PM

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Plus going after their support on land.

How do you know who they are? Just shoot everyone with a parrot on their shoulder and an eyepatch?

Lets start with the new villas along the coast, belonging to warlords and milita leaders. Then the harbour towns and vollagers to which pirate boats retreat.

You know that there is almost a villa construction boom in Somalia currently, yes!? In Somalia!

SteamWake · 11-19-08, 04:18 PM

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There is probably black markets! Yes? Shut these down.

What?! And watch as Somalia's economy implodes further? I dare say, I wouldn't be surprised if some the booty is being distributed "up the chain" as well!

There is booty involved here:hmm:

He said booty not bootay

Skybird · 11-19-08, 04:22 PM

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as Somalia's economy implodes further? !

Eh - what...? Imploding, Somali economy? that is liike surfing without a board.

Pirate ransoms this years are estimated to exceed Puntland's yearly income by 150%. they demand 200 million for the Sirius Star. If they gewt it, this years ransom will exceed Punbtlands income by 250%.

AVGWarhawk · 11-19-08, 04:23 PM

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There is probably black markets! Yes? Shut these down.

What?! And watch as Somalia's economy implodes further? I dare say, I wouldn't be surprised if some the booty is being distributed "up the chain" as well!

There is booty involved here:hmm:

He said booty not bootay

Yes, there is a distinction:rotfl:

fatty · 11-19-08, 04:25 PM

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What catastrophe? They should be deploying clean up ships and booms right now. Like I said, damned if we do damned if we don't. Ok, we blow up the ship. Flames, leaking oil. We are there for immediate response on clean up. If we do a commando raid, boom, the pirates blow it up instead. Flames, leaking oil. We are there to clean it up immediately. OK, we pay a ransom of $150 million...we still may not get the ship back in one piece. No guarantees in this situation. Furthermore, if we do get the ship back, we have done nothing but financed their next high seas adventure

It cost $5 billion in 2008 dollars to clean up the mess from Exxon Valdez and she leaked only 40 million litres. Sirius Star is carrying 300 million litres of crude. Assuming there are even enough resources in the world to mobilize for mitigating that scale of disaster and you are willing to accept the costs, if you can get them close enough to the Star for an immediate response you might as well make a rescue attempt. I think the pirates would have a real struggle draining her tanks in the couple of minutes it would take for a SEAL team to secure the ship anyway.

AVGWarhawk · 11-19-08, 04:31 PM

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What catastrophe? They should be deploying clean up ships and booms right now. Like I said, damned if we do damned if we don't. Ok, we blow up the ship. Flames, leaking oil. We are there for immediate response on clean up. If we do a commando raid, boom, the pirates blow it up instead. Flames, leaking oil. We are there to clean it up immediately. OK, we pay a ransom of $150 million...we still may not get the ship back in one piece. No guarantees in this situation. Furthermore, if we do get the ship back, we have done nothing but financed their next high seas adventure

It cost $5 billion in 2008 dollars to clean up the mess from Exxon Valdez and she leaked only 40 million litres. Sirius Star is carrying 300 million litres of crude. Assuming there are even enough resources in the world to mobilize for mitigating that scale of disaster and you are willing to accept the costs, if you can get them close enough to the Star for an immediate response you might as well make a rescue attempt. I think the pirates would have a real struggle draining her tanks in the couple of minutes it would take for a SEAL team to secure the ship anyway.

Drain the tanks? Those pirates will have explosives rigged. One button. Remember, they have the money to secure some nice explosives and devices to set them off. I do not think they will run for the spiqot.

LobsterBoy · 11-19-08, 06:17 PM

Maybe they'll wait for oil to hit $150 per barrel and sell it off one barrel at a time

They could even claim it to be a sovereign nation, Tankeristan, with proven oil reserves, and thus make it all legal

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Skybird · 11-19-08, 06:24 PM

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Maybe they'll wait for oil to hit $150 per barrel and sell it off one barrel at a time

They could even claim it to be a sovereign nation, Tankeristan, with proven oil reserves, and thus make it all legal

:rotfl:

Nice, we then could mention their RPGs equipped with chemical warheads, unleash an extensive air campaign to prepare for the ground invasion and have the 1st Airbonre embarking on deck until they get reinforcd by the 1st Cavalry.

just digging out the moles under deck may prove to be a dirty and costly war of attrition.

AVGWarhawk · 11-19-08, 07:15 PM

Tell you what, how about letting them starve it out. How much food do they have? Maybe a months worth? Very soon the bilge rats will be looking tasty. So, you give up or we wait until there are a bunch of skeletons at the helm

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LobsterBoy Machinist's Mate Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 127 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Maybe they'll wait for oil to hit $150 per barrel and sell it off one barrel at a time They could even claim it to be a sovereign nation, Tankeristan, with proven oil reserves, and thus make it all legal :rotfl: