So it begins....for Obama

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

The Russians are moving missiles closer to Europe........anybody think an Obama administration can or will confront it?

Why not?

And what do you think these missiles are meant for, to start WWIII? They are meant as demonstration of a superpower, not really as a threat. It's just a bet for the political bargain, the Russians are in the game again, and they want more respect. Who gives a **** about the missile shield in Poland anyway? The real problem is Georgia + Ukraine in the NATO, and Russias future access to the Black Sea. Think Mexico and Panama and Venezuela joining the Warsaw pact, or what actually happened in Cuba, and you should understand much better why the Russians do what they do.

I think if USA and NATO act with more care, not as much in the cold war, but a little bit like that, everything will be in balance again.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

And what do you think these missiles are meant for, to start WWIII? They are meant as demonstration of a superpower, not really as a threat. It's just a bet for the political bargain, the Russians are in the game again, and they want more respect.

You guys look at things so 1 dimensional. This is only the beginning. It doesn't necessarily have to lead to WW3. They already got you Europeans by the crotch in your energy supplies. Now this. IMO, Obama's not going come to your rescue. Mark my words. The missile shield will probably go away. The Russian missiles won't. Nor will Russian new found confidence benefit you in any way. Good luck schmucks.

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

You guys look at things so 1 dimensional. This is only the beginning. It doesn't necessarily have to lead to WW3. They already got you Europeans by the crotch in your energy supplies. Now this. IMO, Obama's not going come to your rescue. Mark my words. The missile shield will probably go away. The Russian missiles won't. Nor will Russian new found confidence benefit you in any way. Good luck schmucks.

Schmucks, oi-oi-oi :p That with the energy supply is true, you know we lost 2 wars, we were outnumbered and now have zero resources, and we can do nothing. Or are you implying Germany should re-arm, get our act together and finally make up for Stalingrad?

P.S. Sea Demon, you're clairvoyant by any means?

[Catfish]

Hello,
what if the EU, with the consent of Poland, got their grips together and told Russia where they can put their missiles ?
Along with the US "missile shield" of course.
What exactly was the argument for Bush to build up a missile shield in Poland ? Iranian missiles aimed at the EU ? Wow, this makes perfect sense to me. Did anyone who did partake in this decision, and made up this "reason", take the time to look at a map ?
It is only caspian oil and the new pipelines that matter, and the control of those regions, and i can even understand Russia feeling pi$$ed.

This idiotic russian statement is simply an answer for this idiotic missile shield policy. It would be good if this unified the EU, to give one decisive answer to Russia, or what's left of it.

This is a test for the new US president, and he should imho simply ignore it. If the EU is again too lame for a harsh reaction, it will certainly be the US who will answer this - but it should not. Russia is currently starving with falling oil and gas prices, and with the struggling world trade, and will react to substantial trade embargoes.

Greetings,
Catfish

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hello,
what if the EU, with the consent of Poland, got their grips together and told Russia where they can put their missiles ?
Along with the US "missile shield" of course.
What exactly was the argument for Bush to build up a missile shield in Poland ? Iranian missiles aimed at the EU ? Wow, this makes perfect sense to me. Did anyone who did partake in this decision, and made up this "reason", take the time to look at a map ?
It is only caspian oil and the new pipelines that matter, and the control of those regions, and i can even understand Russia feeling pi$$ed.

This idiotic russian statement is simply an answer for this idiotic missile shield policy. It would be good if this unified the EU, to give one decisive answer to Russia, or what's left of it.

This is a test for the new US president, and he should imho simply ignore it. If the EU is again too lame for a harsh reaction, it will certainly be the US who will answer this - but it should not. Russia is currently starving with falling oil and gas prices, and with the struggling world trade, and will react to substantial trade embargoes.

Greetings,
Catfish

Wont happen, for some pretty simple reasons.
One of the them: Natural gas..

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hello,
what if the EU, with the consent of Poland, got their grips together and told Russia where they can put their missiles ? Along with the US "missile shield" of course.

What if I told you you're dreaming. The EU is in no position to tell the Russians anything. Especially without US support. The Russians got you by the proverbial energy crotch. I'm not sure an Obama administration has the stomach to stand up for you to your Eastern "friends". The Russians as such most certainly can tell you where to go. So can we. The US missile shield may be gone at this point as well. Obama hasn't exactly been supportive of missile defense proposals at all.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

What if I told you you're dreaming. The EU is in no position to tell the Russians anything. Especially without US support. The Russians got you by the proverbial energy crotch. They most certainly can tell you where to go. So can we. The US missile shield may be gone at this point as well. Obama hasn't exactly been supportive of missile defense proposals at all.

Russia needs the money as much as Europe needs it's energy. Russia can provide some pressure through energy for a given time, but that's it. Now that russias market collapsed and prices for oil and gas are dropping this is true so even more. We Euros know Russia is not an essential threat, and Russia knows we know. What you see on TV is just the big game of politics, deception and pretention, just like in the best days of the cold war. Putin is not at all interested in going into war, he has nothing to win in such a scenario, especially as the ideology legitimating actions on an international level is gone. He also is not stupid, he realizes that. All he wants to serve are Russias minority complexes of having lost their diplomatic heavy weight and importance on the world stage. Putin simply wants to make Russia indispencible when it comes to international diplomacy, including potential conflicts like North Korea or Iran.