The White man speaks: Kramers defense in court.

[SUBMAN1]

Need some popcorn here. Mr. Beast is getting owned (common, but its typically me doing it) and I don't have to do anything!

-S

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I agree......and in particular with the last line

I certainly don't consider myself a racist, but prefer to take the stance that everybody is treated equitably and with no more favour than another.

Oh I'm sure blacks, hispanics, native Americans, etc. would welcome the privileges that being white brings along with it. Tell me, how are you going to see that this will happen? I have to say I'm glad that there are people like you who want to promote equality on a global scale.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Oh I'm sure blacks, hispanics, native Americans, etc. would welcome the privileges that being white brings along with it. Tell me, how are you going to see that this will happen? I have to say I'm glad that there are people like you who want to promote equality on a global scale.

Hahahaha! They already enjoy more previlages than me, so how do you explain that? Try getting into University of Washington - unless you an illegal mexican, or black, you need a 4.0. Who has the more rights here? Being an illegal alien, you only need a 2.0. I want to take some more courses over there, so I am researching it right now, and I am not happy about it. This is not equal rights.

Try selling to the government. If you're black, you can double the price for the same product and the government has to choose you over me. How is that fair for me?

United Airlines hiring pilots - Only 7% of the applicants were black, yet they picked up 20% of the hire, yet black people still complained that this wasn't far enough. How is that fair?

need I go on?

I live in a world of special privileges. Not equal privileges. I have to work twice as hard to have half the chance they do.

Lets just put it straight - don't feed me anymore of your BS without you knowing what you are talking about.

-S

PS. And don't even start on me about Native Americans and their governments within our government. I'll concede to them though since they were here first.

[August]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Oh I'm sure blacks, hispanics, native Americans, etc. would welcome the privileges that being white brings along with it. Tell me, how are you going to see that this will happen? I have to say I'm glad that there are people like you who want to promote equality on a global scale.

Care to point out what some of these "privileges that being white" might be?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

Care to point out what some of these "privileges that being white" might be?

I'm a mutt, do I get anything? I'm sick of the race baiting, on both sides. All of the race baiters can't afford racism to go away, they have too much power to lose. Fear the industrial-racebaiting complex. I think as long as people are different, there will always be jealousy of on another. There will always be some sort of -ism. But this PCness is going to be the death of us all.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I'm a mutt, do I get anything? I'm sick of the race baiting, on both sides. All of the race baiters can't afford racism to go away, they have too much power to lose. Fear the industrial-racebaiting complex. I think as long as people are different, there will always be jealousy of on another. There will always be some sort of -ism. But this PCness is going to be the death of us all.

We are all mutts man. Just that some people take their mutthood to new levels.

-S

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Oh I'm sure blacks, hispanics, native Americans, etc. would welcome the privileges that being white brings along with it. Tell me, how are you going to see that this will happen? I have to say I'm glad that there are people like you who want to promote equality on a global scale.

Nice try, but no cigar I'm afraid.

Look up the word equitable then the meanings mutual tolerance and understanding.

You could also try the words caring and compassion.

How am I going to see that this will happen?

I didn't realise it was my sole responsibility.

I will assure you of one thing though...as a British Police Officer I always endevour to practice what I preach.

You might want to look up the internet meaning of baiting whilst your searching for the other meanings.

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

No they dont. But the point was that if you flip it around only the other side causes lawsuits.

So anti-white rascism is totally ignored in the US?

It a a fact that whites can be generalized freely as "racists".

No its is not a fact its and assumption on your part. Its a foolish generalisation, as foolish as the rather nasty generalistaions that the piece in question infers about racial minorities.

And it is the fault of the whites, right?

Historically speaking, yes it is. Its the result of the marginalisation of racial minorities by past generations. People brought up in poor ghettos tend to perpetuate that way of life and mentality; not to mention being victims of contiuing prejudice within society or institutionalised barriers to the betterment of racial minorities.

The inferred point about ghettos in the original piece is this: That ghettos are violent places not because of economic or social factors but because black or other racial minorities are morally inferior and socially inferior.

Kind of shows where the author is coming from doesn't it.

Its not neccesarily what the piece says in its lines that I take exception to, its more what the author wants the reader to see between them.

So are many whites. Again you are defending special privledges with a generalization.

Indeed there are many whites who are but are you suggesting that underprivileged whites have no organisations which they can appeal to?

What reasons can you think of that would make blacks unfairly economically disadvantaged? The stats bear out this fact BTW, black median incomes are lower than white.

Says you, he also had ideas that were racist and undemocratic.

Such as? At the moment I could make the same, 'says you' charge.

There can be never enough history but there isnt black, white or purple history, there is history. Its a science, not an agenda.

So the history of blacks in the USA or anywhere else could not be described as 'black history'? Your being pedantic about symatics here.

The broad point is that the history of a significant part of the population has been ignored or skimmed over or viewed only through a single point of view and 'black history' month is a means of redressing the balance.

Quite a racist generalization again.

Its not racist, yes its a generalisation, and its a fact.

Minorities are quite well represented if you open the "white peoples" TV. You could even say more than their proportion to population.
Doesnt bother me tought, dont need a white TV.

I didn't call it the 'white peoples' TV, those are your words. Just because you see non white faces on the TV doesn't neccesarily make any less white dominated, ethnic minorites are often shown from a white point of view or shown in an acceptable format that doesn't ruffle white sensibilities.

My point is that mainstream TV is mainly run by whites, for largely white audiences.

Or the many good things white Europeans have done. To you we are only the source of all evil in the world. In eternal debt to all others, whose only role has been to play the victim. Your racism and hatred is of worrying strength.

You have to take the rough with the smooth I'm afraid.

White Europeans aren't evil, they are just flawed as all humans have been in the past, are now and will be in the future, no racial group of humans is inherently superior to any other and whites only owe our position as sometime exploiters largely due to luck; that our civilisation attained a higher degree of sophistication before others and our geographical position, among other factors allowed us to utilise this sophistication to our own benefit.

But this doesn't detract from the fact that whites have been a pretty malign influence on many parts of the globe. We can't change history and eternal debt is a nonsense concept, but maybe we could conduct ourselves with a little more consideration in future.

Its intersting that you mention 'playing the victim', because thats exactly what the original piece is about, white guy as victim, when the evidence seems to suggest that on the whole hes the victor; before and now.

I'm not filled with hatred or racism at all and maybe if you could keep personal mud slinging to a minimum and stick to discussing the points.

See the above comment about what history is. The "white" history is the most empirical found on the planet.

I did see your above comment, but now apparently history does have a colour, maybe you could decide if it does or it doesn't; though what you mean by your statement that 'white history is the most empirical...' I don't know.

No there arent, they are just organisations that help disadvantaged.

Therefore helping disadvantaged whites?

Your wiew is that we give extra help for some special group of people.

Well we do give help for special groups of people. For example we give help to the disabled, or is that discrimination against the ablebodied?

That is discrimination. Based on "race", its racism.

Its a measure taken to prevent greater descrimination that would result otherwise, it deals in equitable outcomes and complex equality. Its not an ideal solution but its a practical one. If all things were equal it wouldn't be needed, but things aren't equal. One day hopefully it won't be needed as a measure.

Commerce is the last thing that is based on "race", its based on on ability.

Commerce is a construct of humans and therefore is not immune from prejudice, just as anything else in society.

You just shrug of blatant racism, reveals your double stantards. Its disgusting.

Keep slinging that mud!

Colleges should be based on merit and ability, colleges for financially disadvantaged i have no problem with.

In a perfect world they would, think you might find a lot of the economically disadvantaged would be from racial minorities.

Im not sure, if they cant even march freely.

Pretty sure whites can march if they wish.

First you admit the facts but end it with your racist bias.

Even more mud slinging! You know it doesn't help your argument much.

Not racist bias at all, I simply aserted that whites don't have a pretty good record where racism is concerned, or maybe you missed about 500 years of world history?

Your rubbish is something you dont only hear in pubs, it is heard from schools to media and politicians. So much so that many people believe in it.
Its called propaganda.

Must be a conspiracy eh?

[EDIT: BTW Subman, I like the way you let someone else retort for you, actually, probably a good idea]