What Congress is voting on while your gas bill has been rising

SUBMAN1 · 08-17-08, 12:29 AM

Not suprising by the way:

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Stealth Hunter · 08-17-08, 02:47 AM

Fuel has actually gone down by a sh**load. I'm paying $3.52 for it right now. I WAS paying $4.08 for it... maybe I should move in with my brother and his family in Missouri.:hmm: It's under $3.40 there, or so I have been told.

However, in the long run, let us raise our goblets and toast to George W. Bush and the Republican-Controlled Congress of 2005. That was when the prices started to rise. Then they came down, then up, then down, then they went back up after this deal with Iran. Now they've started to go down. Will they come back up? Probably, but we can't be sure.

And your source is biased towards the Democrats (see the bottom folks):

Compiled by the Office of the Republican Whip [national average of gas from the EIA]

Roy Blunt's site take jabs and puts crap out about the Democrats all the time.

The American political system of today consists of senators campaigning and raising money for themselves (not to mention, giving themselves raises). The whole lot is a rotten bunch.

Q3ark · 08-17-08, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

The American political system of today consists of senators campaigning and raising money for themselves (not to mention, giving themselves raises). The whole lot is a rotten bunch.

That sounds like our lot over here in the UK. I think politicians are the same no matter where you go, they're only in it for themselves.

Platapus · 08-17-08, 07:14 AM

This graphic only illustrates that Congress votes on several different issues at the same time.

BTW the Democrats only have a majority in the House of Representatives (53%)

The Senate is tied

49 Democrats and 49 Republicans with two independents Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman.

Independent of which party has the actual majority, there are offices and positions that must be filled by the "Majority Party". Therefore the Senate has adopted rules for the selection of the Majority Party, when there is no clear majority of seats held.

It is important to recognize the difference between being the Majority Party and having a majority in Congress. The two are different.

For the purposes of designating which party would be the Majority Party one of two methods are used.

In the 110th Congress:

1. If any of the independents agree to caucus with one party, and that caucusing would bring the number to the simple majority than the "majority" goes to the caucusing party. In this case since Senators Liberman, and Sanders agreed, at the start of the 110th Congress, to caucus with the Democratic Party, The Democratic party is the Majority Party in the Senate.

2. If the Independents decide to caucus with neither party, or split their caucus to bring the numbers to 49+1 to 49+1, the Senate would be tied. In this situation, since both parties are tied, the political party of the President of the Senate (Vice President of the United States) would determine which party would be the Majority Party. In this case Republican.

If Senator Liberman would stop, or not be allowed, to caucus with the Democratic party we could find ourselves in the 49+1 to 49+1 situation.

So there is a common misconception that in the 2006 elections that the Democratic Party took control over the Congress. This is only true in the House of Representatives as the Democratic Party holds 53% of the seats

It is not true in the US Senate where the Democratic Party holds 49% of the Senatorial Seats. The Democrats and Republicans are tied with each holding 49% of the seats so neither party holds a voting majority.

The 110th Senate is neither a Democratic nor Republican controlled Senate.

With the wacky Senatorial rules it is possible for a political party to be the Majority Party but not have a majority in the Senate.

So when parroting the phrase "The Democratic Congress has done nothing since 2006!" keep in mind that the Democrats still do not have a majority of the seats on the Senate.

So referencing that chart: One could ask, what were the Republicans doing with their 49%???

Pots and kettles, gooses and gandars

UnderseaLcpl · 08-17-08, 07:33 AM

I would actually prefer that congress not muck with gas prices. Last time they did that we had a shortage.

In fact, I'd like to see them stay the hell away from any kind of market subsidies or taxes.

mrbeast · 08-17-08, 08:22 AM

The word specious comes to mind in reference to that diagram :hmm:

Quote:

Specious describes that which presents a fair appearance to the view and yet covers something false. Specious refers more definitely to the act or purpose of false representation........An argument may by specious when it is not plausible because its sophistry is so easily discovered.

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/specious

JetSnake · 08-17-08, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

I would actually prefer that congress not muck with gas prices. Last time they did that we had a shortage.

In fact, I'd like to see them stay the hell away from any kind of market subsidies or taxes.

This. End of thread.

August · 08-17-08, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

49 Democrats and 49 Republicans with two independents Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman.

Both independents have strong ties to the Democrats and have both aligned with them. 49 R vs 51 D.

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So referencing that chart: One could ask, what were the Republicans doing with their 49%???

More to the point why didn't the GoP do more while they had the majority? Maybe had they not screwed around the Dems wouldn't have taken the majority in the first place.

FIREWALL · 08-17-08, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Fuel has actually gone down by a sh**load. I'm paying $3.52 for it right now. I WAS paying $4.08 for it... maybe I should move in with my brother and his family in Missouri.:hmm: It's under $3.40 there, or so I have been told.

However, in the long run, let us raise our goblets and toast to George W. Bush and the Republican-Controlled Congress of 2005. That was when the prices started to rise. Then they came down, then up, then down, then they went back up after this deal with Iran. Now they've started to go down. Will they come back up? Probably, but we can't be sure.

And your source is biased towards the Democrats (see the bottom folks):

Compiled by the Office of the Republican Whip [national average of gas from the EIA]

Roy Blunt's site take jabs and puts crap out about the Democrats all the time.

The American political system of today consists of senators campaigning and raising money for themselves (not to mention, giving themselves raises). The whole lot is a rotten bunch.

U think gas prices have dropped !!!

U are a feckin idiot.

ASWnut101 · 08-17-08, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Fuel has actually gone down by a sh**load. I'm paying $3.52 for it right now. I WAS paying $4.08 for it... maybe I should move in with my brother and his family in Missouri.:hmm: It's under $3.40 there, or so I have been told.

However, in the long run, let us raise our goblets and toast to George W. Bush and the Republican-Controlled Congress of 2005. That was when the prices started to rise. Then they came down, then up, then down, then they went back up after this deal with Iran. Now they've started to go down. Will they come back up? Probably, but we can't be sure.

And your source is biased towards the Democrats (see the bottom folks):

Compiled by the Office of the Republican Whip [national average of gas from the EIA]

Roy Blunt's site take jabs and puts crap out about the Democrats all the time.

The American political system of today consists of senators campaigning and raising money for themselves (not to mention, giving themselves raises). The whole lot is a rotten bunch.

U think gas prices have dropped !!!

U are a feckin idiot.

Mabye not where you live, but yeah, prices are dropping (dropped) quite noticeably.

P.S. What you said is probably not going to go over well...

08-17-08, 12:29 AM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What Congress is voting on while your gas bill has been rising Not suprising by the way: -S __________________

08-17-08, 07:14 AM	#4
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,380 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	This graphic only illustrates that Congress votes on several different issues at the same time. BTW the Democrats only have a majority in the House of Representatives (53%) The Senate is tied 49 Democrats and 49 Republicans with two independents Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman. Independent of which party has the actual majority, there are offices and positions that must be filled by the "Majority Party". Therefore the Senate has adopted rules for the selection of the Majority Party, when there is no clear majority of seats held. It is important to recognize the difference between being the Majority Party and having a majority in Congress. The two are different. For the purposes of designating which party would be the Majority Party one of two methods are used. In the 110th Congress: 1. If any of the independents agree to caucus with one party, and that caucusing would bring the number to the simple majority than the "majority" goes to the caucusing party. In this case since Senators Liberman, and Sanders agreed, at the start of the 110th Congress, to caucus with the Democratic Party, The Democratic party is the Majority Party in the Senate. 2. If the Independents decide to caucus with neither party, or split their caucus to bring the numbers to 49+1 to 49+1, the Senate would be tied. In this situation, since both parties are tied, the political party of the President of the Senate (Vice President of the United States) would determine which party would be the Majority Party. In this case Republican. If Senator Liberman would stop, or not be allowed, to caucus with the Democratic party we could find ourselves in the 49+1 to 49+1 situation. So there is a common misconception that in the 2006 elections that the Democratic Party took control over the Congress. This is only true in the House of Representatives as the Democratic Party holds 53% of the seats It is not true in the US Senate where the Democratic Party holds 49% of the Senatorial Seats. The Democrats and Republicans are tied with each holding 49% of the seats so neither party holds a voting majority. The 110th Senate is neither a Democratic nor Republican controlled Senate. With the wacky Senatorial rules it is possible for a political party to be the Majority Party but not have a majority in the Senate. So when parroting the phrase "The Democratic Congress has done nothing since 2006!" keep in mind that the Democrats still do not have a majority of the seats on the Senate. So referencing that chart: One could ask, what were the Republicans doing with their 49%??? Pots and kettles, gooses and gandars __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right. Last edited by Platapus; 08-17-08 at 07:35 AM. Reason: Corrected fat finger typo... again

08-17-08, 07:33 AM	#5
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would actually prefer that congress not muck with gas prices. Last time they did that we had a shortage. In fact, I'd like to see them stay the hell away from any kind of market subsidies or taxes. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

08-17-08, 02:47 AM	#2
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Fuel has actually gone down by a shload. I'm paying $3.52 for it right now. I WAS paying $4.08 for it... maybe I should move in with my brother and his family in Missouri.:hmm: It's under $3.40 there, or so I have been told. However, in the long run, let us raise our goblets and toast to George W. Bush and the Republican-Controlled Congress of 2005. That was when the prices started to rise. Then they came down, then up, then down, then they went back up after this deal with Iran. Now they've started to go down. Will they come back up? Probably, but we can't be sure. And your source is biased towards the Democrats (see the bottom folks): Compiled by the Office of the Republican Whip [national average of gas from the EIA]** Roy Blunt's site take jabs and puts crap out about the Democrats all the time. The American political system of today consists of senators campaigning and raising money for themselves (not to mention, giving themselves raises). The whole lot is a rotten bunch.