The Great American Beer is now Belgian. - Page 2

Skybird · 07-14-08, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

For me it is either [censored] or Warsteiner.

Ja! Ja! Ja! Ja! Jaaaaah...!

There are other good german beers as well, but I agree: Warsteiner is my favourite, too.

les green01 · 07-14-08, 03:41 PM

guess i'll have to change beers now,maybe i'll just make my own

AntEater · 07-14-08, 03:50 PM

I suppose pre-prohibition Annhäuser-Busch beer might've been quite good

Problem is, it is not that Americans do not know how to brew, but rather that they have been used to that kind of horse piss for far too long. I always wonder how easily the few remaining GIs in Frankfurt get drunk, even if they're quite well build and look as if they could take a few.
That said, Frankfurt is a cider (and to a lesser extent, wine) area and the local beer is so bad it could just as well be american, only it is stronger.
This belgian company is not a brewery, but rather a brand holding company specializing in beers. They usually leave their brands unchanged. They do own some quite famous german brands like Beck's or Franziskaner.
Problem is, InBev keeps large national brands while killing off small, regional competition.
So I suppose the Quality of Bud won't change for the better or worse.

07-14-08, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

"Great American Beer "...? :hmm:

Honestly, if thinlking about beer, America and australia are the two places I would consider the least to be recommendable adresses. I tried several of them in past years, and they were thin, and tasted artificial, reminding of laboratories.

You'd be talking about the stuff that gets exported from Australia , Even we don't drink that crap

Sailor Steve · 07-14-08, 07:05 PM

I like all this talk about one beer being better than another. Since beer is an aquired taste (which I have never aquired) I have to opine that there is no "good" beer - just one you are accustomed to.

mookiemookie · 07-14-08, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I like all this talk about one beer being better than another. Since beer is an aquired taste (which I have never aquired) I have to opine that there is no "good" beer - just one you are accustomed to.

Good point, but probably beer is so complex. Even more complex than wine. So many more nuances and flavorings go into a well crafted beer...wine is just grapes, while a beer can have flavorings such as lemon peel, spices like cinnamon, grains of paradise, coriander, and fruits such as cherries or even things like coffee beans...

Beer was invented before wine, and it remains one of the most complex and refined drinks in the world.

Sailor Steve · 07-14-08, 07:30 PM

I was just razzing you guys. It's not your fault alcohol makes me sick.

Enigma · 07-14-08, 07:36 PM

I feel that alot of American beers these days are designed for mass consumption at a cheap price, period. Hence: Coors light. Goes down like water, not expensive to buy, and one of the most popular beers in the country. Beer isn't generally viewed as something one would would pick out to suit a meal. It's designed and marketed to be consumed in large amounts on game day.

em2nought · 07-14-08, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

btw, watch Budweiser. Sales will drop to the bottom InBev will get rid of it. Some guy in the U.S. will pick it up for cheap and make a truck load of money as the one who brought the great american beer back home. Kinda like Coke and New Coke. Someone will makes ots of money but I don't think it will be InBev

Would probably have worked if they had kept the Neon around....

Personally, I'll just switch to Miller.

bookworm_020 · 07-14-08, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Honestly, if thinlking about beer, America and australia are the two places I would consider the least to be recommendable adresses. I tried several of them in past years, and they were thin, and tasted artificial, reminding of laboratories.

If you are talking about Fosters, XXXX and VB, your right in your judgement on them, but there are some realy good beers here, not just micro brewers, but some of the big boys have put some effot in and have been rewarded with increased sales.

Just to show that we do have some taste down under...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fosters_Beer

Skybird · 07-15-08, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Good point, but probably beer is so complex. Even more complex than wine. So many more nuances and flavorings go into a well crafted beer...wine is just grapes,

Good joke! I just would ot repeat it too load.

The taste of a wine is composed by over 1000 ingredients. That of beer (understanding it in todays way of brewing) consists of far less. That is because hop assimiliates chemcial agents from its surroundign (soil, air, water) in not that numbers like grapes do. Beer also is en extremely hyperglycaemic drink, affecting your health far more intense for the negative than wine does if consumed in quantities equal in alcohol level.

Earliest beers were "brewed" by putting bread into water and let it rest.

Another one, anyone?

geetrue · 07-15-08, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I like all this talk about one beer being better than another. Since beer is an aquired taste (which I have never aquired) I have to opine that there is no "good" beer - just one you are accustomed to.

I would have never guessed this of someone as old as you Steve.

I too have never aquired a taste for beer ... I was raised in honky tonk's from 6 to 16 in Waco and Houston, Texas.

I was drug around by my mother and step father. It was legal in Texas to be a child in a bar as long as your parents were with you.

I would suck up on Dr Pepper and play shuffle board by nyself, shoot the bear and look at the Ham's beer sign and wonder why people would eat a pickeled pig's foot.

I thank the great state of California for having a law against drinking unless you were at least 21 ... I was 17, 18, 19. 20 in the Navy in those days.

Glad to meet another non-beer drinker.

August · 07-15-08, 11:02 AM

Add me to the list of non-beer drinkers. It might stem from having an alcoholic father and spending a fair share of my youth perched on a bar stool while Pop got his daily fix but i have never developed a taste for it or alcohol in any form.

Even today at 48 my drinking is confined to the very rare whiskey and soda, maybe once every 2-3 months.

Frame57 · 07-15-08, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by Frame57

For me it is either [censored] or Warsteiner.

Ja! Ja! Ja! Ja! Jaaaaah...!

There are other good german beers as well, but I agree: Warsteiner is my favourite, too.

I had it on tap while we were in Wilhelmshaven back in 81, and I get in the bottle here and have to have it special ordered sometimes, but it still is what beer is all about

Frame57 · 07-15-08, 10:09 PM

I will have to find the quote, but I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said something to the effect that "Beer was proof that God loves us..." Anyway, I doubt he drank Miller or any of that other swill that is passed off as beer. I have noted that a lot of the hispanics here in America seem to go crazy for Budweiser (I call it Buttwiper). So it seem that they too, have not had good beer.

07-14-08, 03:41 PM	#17
les green01 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Freeman Missouri Posts: 1,784 Downloads: 1405 Uploads: 0	guess i'll have to change beers now,maybe i'll just make my own __________________ I'll tell you what bravery really is. Bravery is just determination to do a job that you know has to be done. Audie Murphy

07-14-08, 03:50 PM	#18
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I suppose pre-prohibition Annhäuser-Busch beer might've been quite good Problem is, it is not that Americans do not know how to brew, but rather that they have been used to that kind of horse piss for far too long. I always wonder how easily the few remaining GIs in Frankfurt get drunk, even if they're quite well build and look as if they could take a few. That said, Frankfurt is a cider (and to a lesser extent, wine) area and the local beer is so bad it could just as well be american, only it is stronger. This belgian company is not a brewery, but rather a brand holding company specializing in beers. They usually leave their brands unchanged. They do own some quite famous german brands like Beck's or Franziskaner. Problem is, InBev keeps large national brands while killing off small, regional competition. So I suppose the Quality of Bud won't change for the better or worse. __________________

07-14-08, 07:05 PM	#20
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I like all this talk about one beer being better than another. Since beer is an aquired taste (which I have never aquired) I have to opine that there is no "good" beer - just one you are accustomed to. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-14-08, 07:30 PM	#22
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I was just razzing you guys. It's not your fault alcohol makes me sick. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-14-08, 07:36 PM	#23
Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I feel that alot of American beers these days are designed for mass consumption at a cheap price, period. Hence: Coors light. Goes down like water, not expensive to buy, and one of the most popular beers in the country. Beer isn't generally viewed as something one would would pick out to suit a meal. It's designed and marketed to be consumed in large amounts on game day. __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

07-15-08, 11:02 AM	#28
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,217 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Add me to the list of non-beer drinkers. It might stem from having an alcoholic father and spending a fair share of my youth perched on a bar stool while Pop got his daily fix but i have never developed a taste for it or alcohol in any form. Even today at 48 my drinking is confined to the very rare whiskey and soda, maybe once every 2-3 months. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

07-15-08, 10:09 PM	#30
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I will have to find the quote, but I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said something to the effect that "Beer was proof that God loves us..." Anyway, I doubt he drank Miller or any of that other swill that is passed off as beer. I have noted that a lot of the hispanics here in America seem to go crazy for Budweiser (I call it Buttwiper). So it seem that they too, have not had good beer.