17 wounded during military performance France

jpm1 · 06-30-08, 04:24 PM

A soldier misunderstood blank bullets with real ones during an hostages liberation performance article

August · 06-30-08, 06:52 PM

I just can't see how he could do that. The differences in appearance between blanks and live rounds are significant.

SUBMAN1 · 06-30-08, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I just can't see how he could do that. The differences in appearance between blanks and live rounds are significant.

Such as a slug of lead on the end of the rd?

Rambo shoots blanks - you can see the red paper wads in the bullets specifically in the M-60 scenes.

-S

MothBalls · 06-30-08, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

I can't believe it's a mistake, it's just not possible IMO. The guy at the armory would never mistake live ammo for blank ammo in the first place. Then the guy has to load his magazines himself like everyone else, when you load 25 rounds you have more than enough time to figure if they're blank or live !
And when you fire blank ammo with a famas you need a special cap on the mouth of the barrel, clearly visible if it's missing, with that on you would blow your gun if firing live ammo. And last, even when firing blank ammo you're never supposed to fire with the trigger on unlimited burst. That makes a damn lot of mistakes for at least 2 peoples supposed to be trained professionnals use to that stuff.
And 17 people hit with 25 rounds, that's quite a good ratio for an accident

My money is on another retard breaking a fuse.

I agree with everything you just said. It just couldn't be an accident, no way.

I have a couple of these blank adapters.

If you fire a blank round without one, you'd have to manually eject the round. The main reason it's there is to chamber the next round. If you fire a blank without one, you'll get a big flash, big puff of smoke, and 1/2 the noise. If you fired a live round with this on there, the weapon would explode in your face.

Secondly, the noise and kick are distinctly different. Anyone qualified with that weapon would know if it's a blank or not after the first shot. There's just no way anyone in their right mind could ever believe the person firing it didn't know they were live rounds. Period. A 5 minute demo with any jury or judge and they would know immediately.

Whatever reason you'd like to think after that, conspiracy, nutjob, revenge, or just plain negligence, whatever you choose, it's 100% more likely than an accident.

SUBMAN1 · 06-30-08, 09:22 PM

Some people just don't have the experience. That is another alternative. Maybe he just went through basic training last year and doesn't know?

-S

August · 06-30-08, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Some people just don't have the experience. That is another alternative. Maybe he just went through basic training last year and doesn't know?

-S

Naw these were paratroopers doing a demonstration. Not some new trooper fresh from basic. Even if he were it's unlikely he could have made that mistake. I think Mikhayl's right, somebody blew a fuse...

Schroeder · 07-01-08, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

And 17 people hit with 25 rounds, that's quite a good ratio for an accident

My money is on another retard breaking a fuse.

Maybe the people where standing behind each other. A bullet goes through more than just one guy before it's out of power.

But I also doubt that it was an accident.

1. No real soldier mistakes live ammo for blanks. (not even I would and I only served 9 months)
2. No blank adaptor
3. He fired into the audience

rifleman13 · 07-01-08, 04:53 AM

Paratroopers are elite soldiers.
They should know the difference when firing blanks and firing live rounds.
He should have ceased fire on the first round instead he fired 16 more times...

It ain't an accident!

Fincuan · 07-01-08, 05:42 AM

The latest news around here is that this really wasn't intentional. The press call it an accident. Unbelievable...

Has it been btw stated somewhere that he did not have a blank adapter? Just asking because at least with the Finnish adapters(in our blanks the "bullet" is made of wood) a live 7.62x39 round would just pass right through the adapter. It might wreck the end of the barrel and the adapter, but it would definitely fly quite far and hurt people if it hit something. I have no idea how a 5.56x45 would behave.

Just a year ago there was an incident where the tips of live 7.62x39 FMJ rounds in factory sealed boxes were painted in light blue(the color of blanks). The end result was that a reservist got shot in the lower abdomen with a live round through the blank adapter. He was wearing a type III or IV ballistic vest, but the round penetrated the vest just under the plates. Luckily the adapter and the vest still slowed it down so that it didn't penetrate deep enough to hit any vital organs.

Schroeder · 07-01-08, 06:08 AM

Why would a piece of blank ammo have a wooden bullet on it? Blank ammo is the stuff that just goes "Bang" without any bullet at all IIRC.
Here in Germany the blank ammo has no bullet or anything that might look like a bullet. It's just the cartridge that is closed at the top (where the bullet would normally close it).

Here you can see nicely the difference between the ammo types:

Found here:
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/i...56mm_ammo.html

As one can see, the blank one looks quite differently.

06-30-08, 04:24 PM	#1
jpm1 Captain Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 544 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	17 wounded during military performance France A soldier misunderstood blank bullets with real ones during an hostages liberation performance article

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,199 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I just can't see how he could do that. The differences in appearance between blanks and live rounds are significant. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Some people just don't have the experience. That is another alternative. Maybe he just went through basic training last year and doesn't know? -S __________________

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rifleman13 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2008 Location: Depth-charged to Kingdom Come Posts: 927 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	Paratroopers are elite soldiers. They should know the difference when firing blanks and firing live rounds. He should have ceased fire on the first round instead he fired 16 more times... It ain't an accident!

07-01-08, 05:42 AM	#9
Fincuan Admiral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Suomi, sauna, puukko, perkele Posts: 2,346 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	The latest news around here is that this really wasn't intentional. The press call it an accident. Unbelievable... Has it been btw stated somewhere that he did not have a blank adapter? Just asking because at least with the Finnish adapters(in our blanks the "bullet" is made of wood) a live 7.62x39 round would just pass right through the adapter. It might wreck the end of the barrel and the adapter, but it would definitely fly quite far and hurt people if it hit something. I have no idea how a 5.56x45 would behave. Just a year ago there was an incident where the tips of live 7.62x39 FMJ rounds in factory sealed boxes were painted in light blue(the color of blanks). The end result was that a reservist got shot in the lower abdomen with a live round through the blank adapter. He was wearing a type III or IV ballistic vest, but the round penetrated the vest just under the plates. Luckily the adapter and the vest still slowed it down so that it didn't penetrate deep enough to hit any vital organs.

07-01-08, 06:08 AM	#10
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Why would a piece of blank ammo have a wooden bullet on it? Blank ammo is the stuff that just goes "Bang" without any bullet at all IIRC. Here in Germany the blank ammo has no bullet or anything that might look like a bullet. It's just the cartridge that is closed at the top (where the bullet would normally close it). Here you can see nicely the difference between the ammo types: Found here: http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/i...56mm_ammo.html As one can see, the blank one looks quite differently.