McCain brings back Amnesty for illegals

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I stopped reading at this paragraph. This is rhetoric, the type of rehtoric that typically comes out of the mouth of CEO's, politicians looking after special interests, or people otherwise trying to maintain and preserve domestic outsourcing to maximize their individual gains at the expense of their countrymen by way outsourcing their jobs.

or just someone trying to get down to the basic issues

As for outsourcing jobs when was the last time you could find an American to mow your lawn? In my neighbourhoods you literally can't pay these kids to do it.

[Tchocky]

This is not rocket surgery folks.

@ Ducimus - Give it a shot.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I stopped reading at this paragraph. This is rhetoric, the type of rehtoric that typically comes out of the mouth of CEO's, politicians looking after special interests, or people otherwise trying to maintain and preserve domestic outsourcing to maximize their individual gains at the expense of their countrymen by way outsourcing their jobs.

I have to agree here. Pure rhetoric. My neighbors kids can mow my lawn. i can hire a professional landscaper if I have to. I can even do it myself.

Problem is, they have destroyed are construction industry as an example since formen would rather pay half the wage - I have some very ticked off friends because of it, and they destroy every other wage.

Rhetoric comes in the form of Americans won't do that job and thats pure bullsh*t. They did these jobs for over 200 years without a damn Mexican illegal in sight! The free market will always get what it needs, just that the current one is interested in undermining the country for the chance at greater profit - screw the future! That is the real problem here, and the illegals are just a result. You can take that thought to the bank.

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

A compassionate free market does not exist. A free market is an economic system that exists to create profit for owners.

PD

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Platapus

As for outsourcing jobs when was the last time you could find an American to mow your lawn?

Nobody in my family, nor any relative i know, nor any neighbor i know, has ever hired anyone to do job that they can do themselves. Maybe im an "old school" American, but in my family, we do our own yardwork, we all pitch in to clean the house, etc. I can't imagine anyone hiring someone for something they can do themselves in a couple of hours on a saturday morning or afternoon. It's not that hard to mow a lawn, or weed some ground coverage.

[MothBalls]

Manuel Went Down To Georgia

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by MothBalls

Manuel Went Down To Georgia

That is pretty funny. I got a kick out of this one too.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Nobody in my family, nor any relative i know, nor any neighbor i know, has ever hired anyone to do job that they can do themselves. Maybe im an "old school" American, but in my family, we do our own yardwork, we all pitch in to clean the house, etc. I can't imagine anyone hiring someone for something they can do themselves in a couple of hours on a saturday morning or afternoon. It's not that hard to mow a lawn, or weed some ground coverage.

I think you misunderstood me. I was not referring to people mowing their own lawns, I was referring to people willing to mow other people's lawns for money

As for you and your family willing to mow your own lawn? Well I can respect that. That is your choice.

However if you voluntarily remove yourself from the market (having someone mow your lawn or clean your house) than the discussion we are having does not really apply to you.

Not everyone has the ability to do such things for themselves. There are good people who do pay for someone to help them around the house

Anyway, my point was that there was no line of "good ole Americans" waiting for what they perceived as menial labour. No one... at all... for any price.

There are, however some very nice foreign workers who do a wonderful professional job for not a lot of money. I frankly don't see them taking any jobs away from Americans. I would be thrilled if an American in my neighbourhood would be willing to get their hands dirty for some money. I just don't see it.

[Ducimus]

I read your post as an insinuation that Americans are so lazy, that they are incapable of mowing their own lawns, or otherwise an insinuation that Americans lack work ethic, to support the standard mantra of "mexicans doing the jobs that americans won't do". It simply isn't true. Yes their are lazy people, but ill wager the majority of Americans are not, and can put down some good old fashioned elbow grease just as well, if not better then the cheap hired labor from down south. Hiring a mexican (or anyone for that matter) to mow your own lawn? Now thats lazy ( unless your in a wheelchair or something.)

[August]

Mowing lawns aside, it's a misconception that illegal immigrants do the jobs that Americans don't want to do. Americans don't want to do jobs that pay below minimum wage. A fair days wage for a fair days work.

Illegal immigrants and the slaves wages they will work for constitute unfair competition.

[PeriscopeDepth]

I keep on hearing let's build a wall.

But I don't hear much about internal enforcement. About half of illegal immigrants are visa overstays. Also, solid employer sanctions would do much to combat illegal immigration, currently all they really get is a slap on the wrist.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198298,00.html

PD

PS. Yeah, that's right. I cited Fox News.

[danurve]

One fine day I woke up after a dream with a smile, but sadly it quickly turned to disgust.

In this dream my country had no welfare system, and my government didn't spend my tax dollars on foreign aid. Everybody seemed to pull their own weight. There was no anchor babys and we spoke English.
Opening day Turkey season was a national holiday too.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by danurve

One fine day I woke up after a dream with a smile, but sadly it quickly turned to disgust.

In this dream my country had no welfare system, and my government didn't spend my tax dollars on foreign aid. Everybody seemed to pull their own weight. There was no anchor babys and we spoke English.
Opening day Turkey season was a national holiday too.

I like your dream! Welfare is not bad, just that the people abusing the system are the ones who are bad.

Simple problem to fix welfare - put time limits on people who collect it and are capable of working but are not. At the very least, force them to work for the state if they are unable to find a job in time. Get something for that money. And make working for the state a bad thing like really hard work! More incentive for them to find something better!

And to the chicks that pump out kids to get a bigger welfare check - limit them to 2 kids - all others after it are not funded.

-S

[Iceman]

Cheers Platapus...great thoughts.

It is not that they are taking jobs from Americans...but we need to make them Americans in the sense of making them accountable,liable,chargeable as the rest of anyone else who lives here.

Always comes back around to the money huh?

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Iceman

It is not that they are taking jobs from Americans..

Hold da bus.
Their foreign nationals right?
Their being hired in preference over Americans right? (see construction industry for great examples).

Mind running that "not taking jobs from americans" part past me again? Im not catching the benevolant bandwagon on that one.

Any.. ANY employer that hires a foreign national (IE, illegal alien) should suffer a severe financial penality if/when caught. If the financial risk far outweights the financial gain of hiring them, maybe they'll stop doing it.