John Hamm's Uniform MODS Download Page

[Charlielima]

Wow! That USN skipper looks awesome. Any plans to download those chiefs in dungurees you had? Thanks for the handsome crewman. CL

[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

I've gone through the German side of your MOD a little more in detail and found some inconsistences and obvious errors.

1°

That simply isn't true. Stock ranks are ALL non cadet ranks save O-1 (Fähnrich z.S.) and O-2 (Oberfähnrich z.S.). The problem here lies in the fact that there were more ranks in the Kriegsmarine than in any other branch of the Wehrmacht. To be precise, there were no less than 12 non officer ranks (without cadet ranks!). Since the game limits the number of ranks to 13 (well... I suppose, I don't know really, you can perhaps confirm), you have to leave out some ranks.

The Kriegsmarine had 3 subdivisions of enlisted personnel, Unteroffiziere (NCOs) beeing further subdivided into 2 classes, "mit/ohne Portepee" (allowed/not allowed to wear a sword):

A) Mannschaften (Seamen)
B) Unteroffiziere ohne Portepee (NCOs without sword)
C) Unteroffiziere mit Portepee (NCOs with sword)
D) Fähnriche (Cadet officer ranks)
E) Offiziere (COs)

The ranks were as follows:
A 1 = Matrose
A 2 = Matrosengefreiter
A 3 = Matrosenobergefreiter
A 4 = Matrosenhauptgefreiter
A 5 = Matrosenstabsgefreiter
A 6 = Matrosenoberstabsgefreiter

B 1 = Bootsmannsmaat
B 2 = Oberbootsmannsmaat

C 1 = Bootsmann
C 2 = Stabsbootsmann
C 3 = Oberbootsmann
C 4 = Stabsoberbootsmann

D 1 = Fähnrich zur See (cadet rank)
D 2 = Oberfähnrich zur See (cadet rank)

E 1 = Leutnant zur See
E 2 = Oberleutnant zur See
E 3 = Kapitänleutnant
etc.

Even if their names are almost the same, there is a big difference between Unteroffiziere without and with Portepee, C1-C4 being much closer (in terms of uniforms, esteem etc.) to real officers than to B1-B2. So despite the denominations the dividing line within enlisted ranks runs between A/B and C rather than between A and B/C.

Now, the stock game had the following ranks (all with their correct names):

A1
A2
A3
(A4-6 were left out)
B1
B2
C1
C2
C3
C4
D1 cadet rank
D2 cadet rank
E1

Since I see no reason to include cadet ranks (especially when there is already a limitation), I fully approve your decision to leave them out and to include E2 and E3 .

But you also left out B1 and B2 and replaced them with A4 and A5, a choice I cannot approve for several reasons. First, you left out a whole class of NCOs. Second, it doesn't reflect history: while there were many U-Boote on which there were no A5 or A6, there was hardly a single one whithout a B1 or B2. (You can take a look at this site, which provides information about almost every crew member of the German U-Boot-Fleet: http://ubootwaffe.net/crews).

So I would suggest to use the following ranks (please let me know if you need pictures of rank insignia)

E1 / A 1 = Matrose
E2 / A 2 = Matrosengefreiter
E3 / A 3 = Matrosenobergefreiter
E4 / B 1 = Bootsmannsmaat
E5 / B 2 = Oberbootsmannsmaat
E6 / C 1 = Bootsmann
E7 / C 2 = Stabsbootsmann
E8 / C 3 = Oberbootsmann
E9 / C 4 = Stabsoberbootsmann
O1 / E 1 = Leutnant zur See
O2 / E 2 = Oberleutnant zur See
O3 / E 3 = Kapitänleutnant

(The non-inclusion of A4 remains a problem, but due to the known limitation it is the better choice after all.)

But even if you don't want to make these changes, you really have to change the rank names in your Ranks.upc file, because a Feldwebel etc. simply doesn't exist in the Kriegsmarine (save in the coastal artillery and in some other very special branches like the Navy musicians) and you used the same name (Matrosenobergefreiter) for two different ranks. In that case, please rename the ranks as follows:

E1 = Matrose
E2 = Matrosengefreiter (better without hyphen)
E3 = Matrosenobergefreiter
E4 = Matrosenhauptgefreiter
E5 = Matrosenstabsgefreiter (NOT: Matrosenober-gefreiter)
E6 = Bootsmann (NOT: Feldwebel)
E7 = Stabsbootsmann (NOT: Stabsfeldwebel)
E8 = Oberbootsmann (NOT: Oberfeldwebel)
E9 = Stabsoberbootsmann (NOT: Oberstabsfeldwebel)
O1 = Leutnant zur See
O2 = Oberleutnant zur See
O3 = Kapitänleutnant


2°
The shoulder board of Oberleutnant zur See in the bust_G02.dds file lacks the golden star.


3°
The officer shoulder boards in the crew management screen are upside down in respect to all other (enlisted) rank insignia. Is that intentional?


4°
The new background screen (showing a U.S. rear admiral) is also shown for German decorations. Is there a possibility to include two separate screens for each Navy? If not, will it suffice to delete the AwardsBackground.dds file from your MOD folder to bring back the stock brown screen?

Clearly you know more about Germans than I do, Actually what I did to refrence each of the ranks that they used was looked them up online and read whatever information it had to offer and on more than one site it stated that a number of the ranks that were used, were officer canidate ranks, According to the ones I read they were used by enlisted men and were equivelant to the officer ranks. but then again my understanding of German rank strucutre is no that great. And this was just my understanding, I have been known to be wrong

I'll make you a deal if you create an accurate chart with the correct names by them I will add them in correctly according to what you tell me they should be, understand though, i can only have 9 Enlisted and 3 officers

Oh yea to answer your other Q, i made no changes to any of Midnites txt files in his mod, I only changed some graphics

2. I usedThe german rank insignias off a website I found to make them with so... if you have better ones let me see them.

3 No it was intentional, and it was not intentional, I put them in ther that way for uniformity however they can be reversed, in the same manner, it is just the way I chose to present them.

4 is, I suppose it is possible to change the background by just renaming the file you want and put it in place of theone you don't, however my MoD did not make that change (at least if it did I have no idea how,since I never modified it)

Oh and as far as

But what would REALLY be annoying is having to deal with English texts on the German side. Is this likely to occur?

it most certainly will happen, but like I said it could be edited (not by me though as I only took 1/2 a semester of german 18 years ago)

[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by Charlielima

Wow! That USN skipper looks awesome. Any plans to download those chiefs in dungurees you had? Thanks for the handsome crewman. CL

They are in Dugarees in the Officer only Mods

[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by fenian

I have vista I downloaded ROW 2 NSM no problem did have Capt Cox's uniform and medals and crew. loaded this overwrote and in port start up up can we say CTD? I have 1.4 what gives?

Ok what I am understanding is that you are running Windows Vista and using ROW2 NSM, and that you had Capt Cox uniforms mod in what I need to understand better is are you running SH4 1.4 or My MoD in V1.4, actually just tell me which version of each you are running and I ill attempt to re-create so that i can see what the problem is so we can get it fixed.

You Will Need to start a New Campaign when using this MOD, However sometimes you don't HAVE TO, you can try to make a couple of easy edits but sometimes it doesn't work.(you can only attempt this if you were using a previous version See bottom of page under the Screen shots for instructions)

Though your problem may be as simple as needing to start a new campaign and not just starting from port. As I wrote in the read me and on this page. Try this if it still does not work then answer the above q's and i'll get to work on it

[Leonidas]

Many thanks for your reply!

I don't have the time now, but I will email you this evening (well... Central European Time )

[Leonidas]

1° Could you please indicate one or two of these websites? Just to unterstand.
My sources are seriously researched books (some very detailed, reproducing for example the official decrees which introduced the ranks), but even the German internet sources I've checked today all have roughly the same information. So I really don't see where these false informations come from.

2° The icon in the crew management screen shows the correct insignia for Oberleutnant z.S. (O2) However this is not the case for the 3D-model, bust_G01.dds and bust_G02.dds being the same. This has to be fixed.

3° No problem.

4° This must be a file from Midnite or Captain Cox then.

it most certainly will happen, but like I said it could be edited (not by me though as I only took 1/2 a semester of german 18 years ago)

I would be glad to make all necessary changes if you could tell me where to look.

As soon as I've finished the chart, I'll send you a PM!

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by John W. Hamm

Ok what I am understanding is that you are running Windows Vista and using ROW2 NSM, and that you had Capt Cox uniforms mod in what I need to understand better is are you running SH4 1.4 or My MoD in V1.4, actually just tell me which version of each you are running and I ill attempt to re-create so that i can see what the problem is so we can get it fixed.

Though your problem may be as simple as needing to start a new campaign and not just starting from port. As I wrote in the read me and on this page. Try this if it still does not work then answer the above q's and i'll get to work on it

same...guess i'll enable when the war ends with my current one...

[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

1° Could you please indicate one or two of these websites? Just to unterstand.
My sources are seriously researched books (some very detailed, reproducing for example the official decrees which introduced the ranks), but even the German internet sources I've checked today all have roughly the same information. So I really don't see where these false informations come from.

2° The icon in the crew management screen shows the correct insignia for Oberleutnant z.S. (O2) However this is not the case for the 3D-model, bust_G01.dds and bust_G02.dds being the same. This has to be fixed.

3° No problem.

4° This must be a file from Midnite or Captain Cox then.

I would be glad to make all necessary changes if you could tell me where to look.

As soon as I've finished the chart, I'll send you a PM!

1. i have no idea where it was, I did some quick searches, and i have slept since then.

2. I will fix them after I recieve the chart.

Last This is the location of the file MODS\John Hamm's Uniform Mod V2.2\Data\UPCDataGE\UPCCrewData \ The Ranks.UPC file is where the rank names are located. Names Dipsayable is the one that shows up in the game, though I believe it is in German. As no other part of that appears. So if this is not what you are refering to, then tell me where while playing the game you are seeing the english text. And then Maybe I can better assist.

[Leonidas]

So if this is not what you are refering to, then tell me where while playing the game you are seeing the english text. And then Maybe I can better assist.

Thank you! I'm going to check this out.

P.S. I've sent you a PM.

[Leonidas]

I've just finished the officer ranks. Please have a look in your PM-folder.

Thank you!

[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

I've just finished the officer ranks. Please have a look in your PM-folder.

Thank you!

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