need expert advice on wwi German (Prussia) and Austrio-hugary awards and orders - Page 2

USS Sea Tiger · 03-19-08, 11:17 PM

I will have to look into the hard codign and see if that can be pulled of!

Yes, one great reason I liked the WWI version is the very colorful awards possible,, something unique.

Wolf359 · 03-21-08, 06:24 AM

I have pictures of this Austro-Hungary medals:

1. Military Order of Maria Theresa
2. Military Merit Cross
3. The Order of Leopold
4.The Order of the Iron Crown
5. The Order of Franz Joseph
6. Military Bravery Medal on War Ribbon
7. Wound Medal

I will upload pictures of it very soon!

Wolf359 · 03-21-08, 06:27 AM

Few of my medals are already upload on this topic but I have pictures of more variants of it.

Wolf359 · 03-21-08, 06:32 AM

1. Military Order of Maria Theresa: 4 variants: Grand Cross: Badge, Grand Cross: Star, Commander and Knight

Instituted: 13 May 1757.
Discontinued: 1919.

Awarded: To officers for courage in the face of the enemy, or commanders whose actions determine success in battle.

Wolf359 · 03-21-08, 06:38 AM

2. Military Merit Cross: (I have picture of first variant - Cross: 1st class)

Instituted: 22 October 1849.

Discontinued: 1919.

Awarded: For deeds of bravery in action.

USS Sea Tiger · 03-21-08, 06:41 AM

Thank you, I can use them. Some I have but not in great detail.

So far I finished the files for the Prussian awards. I thought it would be simple HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA thought it would be one file only to change HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

How naive I was, modified 8 files so for,, just for one set of medals Hehehehheheh

Wolf359 · 03-21-08, 06:43 AM

3. The Order of Leopold: I have pictures of 3 variants - Grand Cross: Badge, Grand Cross: Star and Knight

Instituted: 14 July 1808 by Kaiser Franz I.
Discontinued: 1919.

Awarded: For military and civil merit.

Wolf359 · 03-21-08, 06:53 AM

4. The Order of the Iron Crown: 4 variants: Grand Cross Badge, Grand Cross: Star, Commander, and Knight

Instituted: 5 June 1805 by Napoleon I
Discontinued: 1814, restored 12 February 1816 by Kaiser Franz I.

Awarded: for Honorable deeds in action (I think).

Wolf359 · 03-21-08, 06:57 AM

5. The Order of Franz Joseph: I have pictures of 4 variants - Grand Cross: Badge, Commander with Star, Commander, Knight

Instituted: 1849.
Discontinued: 1918.

Awarded: For military and civil merit; especially in industry, commerce and diplomacy.

Wolf359 · 03-21-08, 07:02 AM

6. Military Bravery Medal on War Ribbon: I have picture of one variant

Instituted: 1890.
Discontinued: 1918.

Awarded: For deeds of bravery in action.

Wolf359 · 03-21-08, 07:09 AM

7. Wound Medal: I have picture of two variants – for 2 wounds and 4 wounds

Instituted: I don't know
Discontinued I think that Austria use similar medal and today.

Awarded: For being wounded in combat.

Wolf359 · 03-21-08, 07:13 AM

Sea Tiger I will hope that this my pictures can been useful for you

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I looking forward for your AH mod for SH3!

Ahoy

Tessa · 03-22-08, 01:24 AM

At the time in WWI, the Pour le mérite was the highest decoration that Prussia could award. Off the top of my head I think that only 2000 were awarded during the course of the war, compared to estimated 7000 Knights Cross in WWII. It would be more comprable to Oak leaves which there were 881 awarded, and only 159 with swords.

The IC 1st class also has some variations that you would need to factor in. For someone in WWI that had received it previously it would have the date 1874 on it, so there would be a badge that would be put on top of it with 1914 on it. Same with WWII, if the soldier had recieved a IC 1st in WWI they had another badge worn above it with 1939 on it.

By the time WWII came around, most of the reciepients of the Pour le mérite were generals or higher by the start of WWII. Only a few people like Adolf Galland (who still scored 104 planes shot down) actually served on the front lines.

I guess since I collect WWII German militaria the medal system in SHIII frustrates me so much. I understand there needs to be a tangible milestone in which to make the award available, they just didn't do their homework very well. The combat clasp in gold always has rubbed me wrong, it didn't even became available until 1944, and only was awarded in bronze and silver. Thank god for SHIII Commander by allowing you the option of handing out awards based on your own criteria and not how much tonnage you sink per patrol.

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr · 03-22-08, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul.Saenger

And here is how the award sequence would look like:
U-boot war badge
Couldn't find an image. Probably a revised version of the WWII award would do the trick, though

this site has it, and much more here

Paul.Saenger · 03-23-08, 03:45 PM

^The second one is wonderful, Mohr. Great detail.

03-19-08, 11:17 PM	#16
USS Sea Tiger XO Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 425 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	up to ten you say,, HUMM I will have to look into the hard codign and see if that can be pulled of! Yes, one great reason I liked the WWI version is the very colorful awards possible,, something unique.

03-21-08, 06:24 AM	#17
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I have pictures of this Austro-Hungary medals: 1. Military Order of Maria Theresa 2. Military Merit Cross 3. The Order of Leopold 4.The Order of the Iron Crown 5. The Order of Franz Joseph 6. Military Bravery Medal on War Ribbon 7. Wound Medal I will upload pictures of it very soon! __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/ Last edited by Wolf359; 03-21-08 at 06:59 AM.

03-21-08, 06:27 AM	#18
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Few of my medals are already upload on this topic but I have pictures of more variants of it. __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/

03-21-08, 06:32 AM	#19
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	1. Military Order of Maria Theresa: 4 variants: Grand Cross: Badge, Grand Cross: Star, Commander and Knight Instituted: 13 May 1757. Discontinued: 1919. Awarded: To officers for courage in the face of the enemy, or commanders whose actions determine success in battle. __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/

03-21-08, 06:38 AM	#20
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	2. Military Merit Cross: (I have picture of first variant - Cross: 1st class) Instituted: 22 October 1849. Discontinued: 1919. Awarded: For deeds of bravery in action. __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/

03-21-08, 06:41 AM	#21
USS Sea Tiger XO Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 425 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	AH Medals Thank you, I can use them. Some I have but not in great detail. So far I finished the files for the Prussian awards. I thought it would be simple HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA thought it would be one file only to change HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA How naive I was, modified 8 files so for,, just for one set of medals Hehehehheheh

03-21-08, 06:43 AM	#22
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	3. The Order of Leopold: I have pictures of 3 variants - Grand Cross: Badge, Grand Cross: Star and Knight Instituted: 14 July 1808 by Kaiser Franz I. Discontinued: 1919. Awarded: For military and civil merit. __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/

03-21-08, 06:53 AM	#23
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	4. The Order of the Iron Crown: 4 variants: Grand Cross Badge, Grand Cross: Star, Commander, and Knight Instituted: 5 June 1805 by Napoleon I Discontinued: 1814, restored 12 February 1816 by Kaiser Franz I. Awarded: for Honorable deeds in action (I think). __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/

03-21-08, 06:57 AM	#24
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	5. The Order of Franz Joseph: I have pictures of 4 variants - Grand Cross: Badge, Commander with Star, Commander, Knight Instituted: 1849. Discontinued: 1918. Awarded: For military and civil merit; especially in industry, commerce and diplomacy. __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/

03-21-08, 07:02 AM	#25
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	6. Military Bravery Medal on War Ribbon: I have picture of one variant Instituted: 1890. Discontinued: 1918. Awarded: For deeds of bravery in action. __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/

03-21-08, 07:09 AM	#26
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	7. Wound Medal: I have picture of two variants – for 2 wounds and 4 wounds Instituted: I don't know Discontinued I think that Austria use similar medal and today. Awarded: For being wounded in combat. __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/

03-21-08, 07:13 AM	#27
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Sea Tiger I will hope that this my pictures can been useful for you. I looking forward for your AH mod for SH3! Ahoy __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/

03-22-08, 01:24 AM	#28
Tessa Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CG 96 Posts: 861 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	At the time in WWI, the Pour le mérite was the highest decoration that Prussia could award. Off the top of my head I think that only 2000 were awarded during the course of the war, compared to estimated 7000 Knights Cross in WWII. It would be more comprable to Oak leaves which there were 881 awarded, and only 159 with swords. The IC 1st class also has some variations that you would need to factor in. For someone in WWI that had received it previously it would have the date 1874 on it, so there would be a badge that would be put on top of it with 1914 on it. Same with WWII, if the soldier had recieved a IC 1st in WWI they had another badge worn above it with 1939 on it. By the time WWII came around, most of the reciepients of the Pour le mérite were generals or higher by the start of WWII. Only a few people like Adolf Galland (who still scored 104 planes shot down) actually served on the front lines. I guess since I collect WWII German militaria the medal system in SHIII frustrates me so much. I understand there needs to be a tangible milestone in which to make the award available, they just didn't do their homework very well. The combat clasp in gold always has rubbed me wrong, it didn't even became available until 1944, and only was awarded in bronze and silver. Thank god for SHIII Commander by allowing you the option of handing out awards based on your own criteria and not how much tonnage you sink per patrol.

03-23-08, 03:45 PM	#30
Paul.Saenger Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 97 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	^The second one is wonderful, Mohr. Great detail.