The Death Penalty (Merged)

[August]

Personally i'm opposed to the DP.

First, it's too final and no court ever created by man is infallable.

Second, death lets the bastards off too easy. Put them in a cell without their cable TV or anything besides the most basic of amentities for the rest of their worthless lives. Now that's a just punishment.

[Bort]

Originally Posted by August

Personally i'm opposed to the DP.

First, it's too final and no court ever created by man is infallable.

Second, death lets the bastards off too easy. Put them in a cell without their cable TV or anything besides the most basic of amentities for the rest of their worthless lives. Now that's a just punishment.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

As someone from Illinois, having seen the mess my state was in with this issue before the Governor emptied death row, I honestly do not believe that the Death Penalty can be applied fairly. That is before the other deep arguments of morality and cruelty.

[bradclark1]

I used to be for it but now I think it punishes more by keeping him in a 6X10 cell for 23 hours a day for the rest of his life. Thats a lot of time in a very small place to dwell on the reason he's in there.

[Reece]

If you kill a person intentionally & it can be proved without a doubt then yes, the killer has ended a persons life so that person has lost rights to live. However the person should be put to death as humanely as possable, it is not our right to inflict pain!

[Platapus]

I support the concept of the death penalty, but disagree with its implementation.

In my mind there has to be solid, scientifically defendable evidence against a person before I would ever recommend the death penalty.

I just can't see sentencing people to death based on eyewitness testimony.

Witnesses lie in court
Witnesses make mistakes in court
Witnesses are mislead in court
Witnesses are influenced in court

How many times are spunky ADAs pushing witnesses to state that they know for sure "thats the man" when in reality, the witness only thinks "that may be the man". ADAs are judged by their conviction rate, not by justice.

I still don't understand why witnesses are not charged with perjury when they lie in court by overstating their confidence, especially when it causes an innocent person to be imprisoned or killed.

Now if there is solid scientifically defendable evidence that legally proves a murder's guilt, I have no problem with the death penalty.

But I would need more than someone saying "that's the guy".

Of course there is the whole evidence tampering scandals which really scare me.

But that is probably another thread

[Tchocky]

Against. Mostly for the same reasons as August. You can't undo it, and courts aren't perfect.

On the other tangents put up in this thread

A politician who is going against what 90% (or some other inane statistic) of the people believe, is sticking up for his/her principles. (hat's the ideal version anyway. We all know how special interests work)
The idea of representing the people comes through for an election, where the electorate decides who will make their decisions for them. Opinion polls don't change that.
Mob rule is one of the most entertaining and terrifying political scenarios imaginable. Mobile vulgus and all that.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Screenshotted the 50-50 whilst it lasts

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Screenshotted the 50-50 whilst it lasts

Oh, I forgot to vote.

*Ruins his fun*

[lambda*sqrt(u*x)]

I voted "No" because an eye-for-an-eye mentality does not fit into my personal philosophical beliefs about the potential of an individual to change. And my opinion is, that, even if I am without religious background, people who see themselves within a Christian, Muslim, Jewish or other biblical religious community - I can't speak for far easter religions because of my lack of knowledge - can't combine the legal death penalty with the commandments of their prophets. For those, death penalty can just be possible if there is a strong secular mindset in political life.

[Iron Budokan]

I must admit this is one of those questions that has never really bothered me. If someone murdered one of my family members I wouldn't care one whit if the state had the legal authority to execute him or not...because I would kill him myself and never think twice about it.

I'm not the least bit interested in the state meting out justice for someone who murders my little boys or my wife. I'll do that myself, thank you very much. And I don't give a hoot about what society says or what anyone might think about it.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying what I believe.

I just play a different game, with different rules, from most people, that's all.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

I must admit this is one of those questions that has never really bothered me. If someone murdered one of my family members I wouldn't care one whit if the state had the legal authority to execute him or not...because I would kill him myself and never think twice about it.

I'm not the least bit interested in the state meting out justice for someone who murders my little boys or my wife. I'll do that myself, thank you very much. And I don't give a hoot about what society says or what anyone might think about it.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying what I believe.

I just play a different game, with different rules, from most people, that's all.

As long as you don't meet anyone else "playing a different game"

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

I'm not the least bit interested in the state meting out justice for someone who murders my little boys or my wife. I'll do that myself, thank you very much. And I don't give a hoot about what society says or what anyone might think about it.

Having said that are you prepared to what you would put the remainder of your family through? You got the satisfaction of killing a killer then you go to jail. Your wife dead and you in jail. What happens to the kids? One of your kids dead what happens to your wife and kids? No bread winner, loose the house got to move to a crappy side of town where they dare not go out after dark. Mom has to work 2 jobs to try and make ends meet. Food stamps? Is further devastation of your family worth it?

[jumpy]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Having said that are you prepared to what you would put the remainder of your family through? You got the satisfaction of killing a killer then you go to jail. Your wife dead and you in jail. What happens to the kids? One of your kids dead what happens to your wife and kids? No bread winner, loose the house got to move to a crappy side of town where they dare not go out after dark. Mom has to work 2 jobs to try and make ends meet. Food stamps? Is further devastation of your family worth it?

As this thread clearly demonstrates: much of so-called 'public opinion' regarding execution, be it opinion fostered by the media, lapped up by the common man and bandied about in the corridors of power by the wealthy elite; is saturated with emotion and other baggage that does not lend itself to coherent decision making. And whilst I believe a statement of justice be decided cold and calculatingly, that also lacks the necessary humanity. Relying solely on logic and clarity is as bad as basing ones decisions on emotion alone.

Ideals such as justice are mere shadows of perfection dimly perceived by man and realised with the benefit of all of his innate imperfections. Therefore the pure ideal rarely comes to resemble itself in practise. Because of this inevitable error I can never accept such a final revenge as a just punishment as the consequences of a grave mistake are incapable of being undone. Besides, a more fitting claim of life imprisonment ought to mean exactly that - LIFE. Not 18 years then parole and redemption.

[Lt West]

By mental I mean mentally retarded people who dont know the've done anyhting wrong which may seem cruel to many,But it doesnt have to be cruel.For example Slap a micky mouse hat on their head and tell them there going to disney land.

"Dih-nee-lan!"as hes led down the hall to the gas chambers.

"Dih-nee-lan!" as he is strapped down.

"Dih-nee-lan!" as gas fills the room.

"Dih-nee...." as he asphixiates(i know it spelled wrong)
(this is from the skippy list)

[Defiance]

Hiya's,
I've voted yes BUT, Many a person especially in england were hanged wrongly as-in they were innocent

If it's an outright planned murder 100% no errors capable i say kneck em

Manslaughter eg: someone snaps due to being mugged/robbed/abused etc or has to act in self defense well give em a medal and no record (but again has to be 100% free from errors and not a premeditated get-back-at-someone)

Rapes/Child abuse etc again if 100% certain kneck em (slowly)

As in a well known case of a farmer killing someone by shooting in their back as they fled again a medal, As the scum were there to rob and by all accounts he himself could of been yet another unsolved murder victim i say kneck em

What with dna etc now i think it's high time to bring the dp back but as i say only when it's 100% proven

Pierpoint himself had a very educated feeling that a female victim of his hanging was innocent but did his job none the less, Later she was found to of been probably innocent

As for the kids well youths of today that cause so much damage and worry in neighbourhoods knowing that until their 18 they can do anything and not get much done to them, Birch the ****s in local village/town/city so to not only let them feel pain but the humiliation of everyone knowing them

And for all you libs thinking pain/tough punishment don't solve stuff i read or was told this can't really remember but it makes sense to me, (maybe not word for word but gist is) Punch a liberal and when they get back up punch em again and again when back up punch them again, Sooner or later they lash back or resist (guess it means everyone can only take so much before they have to change their thinking)

Ohh and when it's your daughter been raped or your son shot maybe you would change your views

My dad hit me once in my life with a very thick army issue leather belt, Think it was 3 maybe 4 lashes across backside, My crime was to have shouted "bloody bitch" to me mom when i was around 12yrs old

Never did me any harm, And i know many a school friend who had good hidings off their parents and all turned out very decent people, But abuse obviously should not be tollerated


Only way the UK will get the DP is if politicians get to grips with what the majority of their voters want (this is as likely as me landing on mars) (as said EU law etc so we are destined for more general decay os society and more libs saying ohh they didn't realise what they were doing)

Kill someone in uk your out in 9yrs Rob a bank or do a paper-crime you fubared dude bigtime

Ohh and as for sex offenders that wait until their victims are 13 before raping/mollesting them because it's a lesser punishment when victim is 13 and over i say hang em slowly while a rotty chews on their scrotes

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