What do you think?

DavyJonesFootlocker · 02-18-08, 02:18 PM

Why do you guys like u-boats? Personally I did not play SH3 a lot because I think playing the role as a nazi kinda make me feel immoral. Yeah, I'm weird that way. It's just a game I know but the idea kinda makes me feel strange. But I'm glad SH4 came out now I feel better kicking some butts and saving the world!

AVGWarhawk · 02-18-08, 02:23 PM

Ah, I will let this go for now. Please, just talk of the uboats and keep the immoral thing out of it.

Thank you.

The Ref

Rockin Robbins · 02-18-08, 02:32 PM

from reading all books written by the U-Boat arm of the German Navy. These people were not Nazis. They were Germans defending their motherland. The typical attitude of U-Boat personnel toward Nazis was one of irritation. I don't have any quotes handy. Even Admiral Donitz was not pro-Nazi. He was a professional apolitical warrior, and expected his men to be that way also.

So I have no problem commanding a U-Boat. In better times, they and American submariners would have been friends.

Torplexed · 02-18-08, 02:37 PM

I think Suhren was the U-Boat captain, who asked as a joke if Hitler was still in power as he pulled into the dock at port after a patrol. When someone replied yes, he began backing out. :p

DavyJonesFootlocker · 02-18-08, 03:25 PM

Nice story Torplexed. I would've backed out too.

Not meant to be political. Just prefer to be in a Gato-Class sub than a Type 17 u-boat, that's all.

My old man if he was still alive would've ran me out of the house if he knew what I was doing. I could hear him now, "I didn't dodge all those blasted bombs on a RAF airfield to survive and watch you do that!"

R.I.P. Pops still love ya!

Torplexed · 02-18-08, 03:41 PM

The nice thing about a game is that you can divorce yourself somewhat from the stark political realities of the times. I imagine it's more difficult for some of our British cousins. There was a "do you ever feel guilty" thread in the SH3 forum. I do recall a few British players seeing St. George's Cross flapping in the breeze through the periscope and feeling bad yanking the trigger.

Torplexed · 02-18-08, 02:26 PM

Playing the Germans in U-Boats doesn't bother me much. The Nazis never infilitrated the German navy the same way they did the Wermacht to the point where seperate SS divisions were actually created. Most German crews were just doing a dirty difficult job their country had thrust upon them. It is good to be playing the Americans in the sun-dappled Pacific again tho. I find all WW2 diesel sub combat somewhat fascinating. It's the sleek perfect Cold War nuke boats which kinda turn me off.

Capn_Sinky · 02-19-08, 04:46 PM

Read "Submarine!" by Ed. Beech and then read "Iron Coffins" for a comparison. Both started about the same time and had very similar experiences. A great comparison. Will also help with your tatics.

I also read a story about the American submariner who after WWII took command of the I400 for testing and sailed it to Hawaii. The american crews had to work next to the Japanese sailors to learn how operate the boat. How scarry would that be.

"You pull lever GI and boat dive, sure, you go ahead and try, Japanese boat dive fast, you see"

It was also very interesting when he was talking with the Japanese Sub commanders and they were swaping war stories. It was always in terms of "us" and "them". "Us" meant submarines and "Them" meant surface vessles regardless of nationality.

AkbarGulag · 02-19-08, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

Hey, I found this article about the u-boat off the coast of my home island.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/people/print,0,29835.html

I had a teacher from Trinidad&Tobago at school, she was awesome. At the time, she did something I had never seen before, she brought her 2 year old daughter to school, from then on she brought her everyday. In all my years as a student (15), I had never seen a teachers child at school ^^

I get the impression she just thought it was normal and didn't even ask :p Thats NZ of back then for you, if you did something unexpected, people just accepted it.

Great story in there DavyJones, interesting little snap of life in the carribean. NZ had 500,000 US serviceman here during WW2.... we had a population of about 1.5 million ^^ My Grandfather said resentment was common to that fact while on duty in Europe. The boys just wanted to come home and fight the Japanese, rather than have all these 'yanks' here shagging their girlfriends. England of course wasn't interested, thus the titanic shift in NZ foreign defence policy from that time on. Thus the new relationship with the US was born, a country that actually shared the same ocean! Well, got along until the US got pissy about our non-nuclear legislation anyway

Hello Capn_Sinky, an articulate audience welcomes you

Platapus · 02-19-08, 05:52 PM

I like sub games because of the sneakyness.

You can't wade in, a-guns a-blazin. You have to plan and wait. Picking the best time to strike. I find sub games much more mentally stimulating (which does not take much with my mind

)

I also like the weaknesses of subs once the moment of surprise is gone.

I also like the solo type play although that really should not be incorporated in SH3 due to the wolf-packs.

I don't have a problem playing the Germans. It is a simulation of history. I find the prospect of killing British no more or less abhorrent than killing Japanese. I would not like to kill either in real life.

I guess my "attitude" mimics many of the real life Kregsmarine in that there was nothing personal, just a duty to do.

And, of course, I never forget it is just a frickin game

02-18-08, 02:18 PM	#1
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	What do you think? Why do you guys like u-boats? Personally I did not play SH3 a lot because I think playing the role as a nazi kinda make me feel immoral. Yeah, I'm weird that way. It's just a game I know but the idea kinda makes me feel strange. But I'm glad SH4 came out now I feel better kicking some butts and saving the world! __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club Last edited by DavyJonesFootlocker; 02-18-08 at 03:26 PM.

02-18-08, 02:23 PM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,254 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Ah, I will let this go for now. Please, just talk of the uboats and keep the immoral thing out of it. Thank you. The Ref __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-18-08, 02:32 PM	#3
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	One thing is perfectly clear from reading all books written by the U-Boat arm of the German Navy. These people were not Nazis. They were Germans defending their motherland. The typical attitude of U-Boat personnel toward Nazis was one of irritation. I don't have any quotes handy. Even Admiral Donitz was not pro-Nazi. He was a professional apolitical warrior, and expected his men to be that way also. So I have no problem commanding a U-Boat. In better times, they and American submariners would have been friends. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

02-18-08, 02:37 PM	#4
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I think Suhren was the U-Boat captain, who asked as a joke if Hitler was still in power as he pulled into the dock at port after a patrol. When someone replied yes, he began backing out. :p __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

02-18-08, 03:25 PM	#5
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Nice story Torplexed. I would've backed out too. Not meant to be political. Just prefer to be in a Gato-Class sub than a Type 17 u-boat, that's all. My old man if he was still alive would've ran me out of the house if he knew what I was doing. I could hear him now, "I didn't dodge all those blasted bombs on a RAF airfield to survive and watch you do that!" R.I.P. Pops still love ya! __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

02-18-08, 03:41 PM	#6
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	The nice thing about a game is that you can divorce yourself somewhat from the stark political realities of the times. I imagine it's more difficult for some of our British cousins. There was a "do you ever feel guilty" thread in the SH3 forum. I do recall a few British players seeing St. George's Cross flapping in the breeze through the periscope and feeling bad yanking the trigger. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

02-18-08, 02:26 PM	#7
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Playing the Germans in U-Boats doesn't bother me much. The Nazis never infilitrated the German navy the same way they did the Wermacht to the point where seperate SS divisions were actually created. Most German crews were just doing a dirty difficult job their country had thrust upon them. It is good to be playing the Americans in the sun-dappled Pacific again tho. I find all WW2 diesel sub combat somewhat fascinating. It's the sleek perfect Cold War nuke boats which kinda turn me off. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

02-19-08, 04:46 PM	#8
Capn_Sinky Bosun Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Winder, GA Posts: 64 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Read "Submarine!" by Ed. Beech and then read "Iron Coffins" for a comparison. Both started about the same time and had very similar experiences. A great comparison. Will also help with your tatics. I also read a story about the American submariner who after WWII took command of the I400 for testing and sailed it to Hawaii. The american crews had to work next to the Japanese sailors to learn how operate the boat. How scarry would that be. "You pull lever GI and boat dive, sure, you go ahead and try, Japanese boat dive fast, you see" It was also very interesting when he was talking with the Japanese Sub commanders and they were swaping war stories. It was always in terms of "us" and "them". "Us" meant submarines and "Them" meant surface vessles regardless of nationality. __________________ Good Luck and Good Hunting! Capn_ Sinky (aka Stinky) O.I.C.I.C. Officer In Charge of Ice Cream Current Command: USS Drum Apr42 "Frankly the idea that a stinkpot could smell so bad that men who haven't bathed or changed their clothes in months would choose to abandon their ships mid ocean rather than fight, scares the heck out of me!" Unknown Historian

02-19-08, 05:52 PM	#10
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I like sub games because of the sneakyness. You can't wade in, a-guns a-blazin. You have to plan and wait. Picking the best time to strike. I find sub games much more mentally stimulating (which does not take much with my mind ) I also like the weaknesses of subs once the moment of surprise is gone. I also like the solo type play although that really should not be incorporated in SH3 due to the wolf-packs. I don't have a problem playing the Germans. It is a simulation of history. I find the prospect of killing British no more or less abhorrent than killing Japanese. I would not like to kill either in real life. I guess my "attitude" mimics many of the real life Kregsmarine in that there was nothing personal, just a duty to do. And, of course, I never forget it is just a frickin game __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.