TM planes

[Sailor Steve]

Maybe at Pearl Harbor. Ever been to Subic?

And, if I'm wrong, it's an arguing point, since it was intentional. That's not the same as a bug. Bug implies the creator didn't know what he was doing.

[walrusbomb]

'fraid not. But I spent a lot of time at Pearl Harbor on seperate occasions and a shiny quarter dissappears at 2m depth.

I've been deepsea fishing north of Molokai and a 200lb Aku is practically invisible until he's on the boat.

I acknowledge the Pacific is often very very clear... but once you leave the hotspots (undersea volcanos), the Pacific gets COLD AND DARK quick. I'm going to be very upset when a Japanese plane spots me in 40m of water, 800km off Guam.

[walrusbomb]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

That's not the same as a bug. Bug implies the creator didn't know what he was doing.

I wouldn't say "bug" implies the creator didn't know what he was doing. Bugs arise for numerous reasons (accretion mostly). Even the greatest software engineers on the planet get exceptions and bugs. charge it to the game.

[Sailor Steve]

As I said, all I know is what I saw, and I saw the rocks on the bottom of a channel deep enough for the biggest carriers to pass with a lot of room to spare, and we commented on the dolphins swimming back and forth under the ship.

In a similar discussion on SH3, some people pointed out that sometimes you can see forever, and it has also been noted that sometimes you can't see the bow from the conning tower. I'm a big opponent of using the periscope underwater, so I go both ways.

[walrusbomb]

agreed steve, I've been scuba diving off the big island and watched planes fly overhead, as if I wasn't underwater at all. I've also seen dolphins clearly in deep water.

I guess the real problem is the inhuman eyesight of TM pilots. Just because your sub is partially visible from great heights, doesn't mean they should automatically ID you.

as large and deep as the pacific is, I would guess there's more dark water than there is clear water.

Imma install TM tonight and play in the VERY dark waters off Tokyo.

[Seadogs]

Got to back you up here, I've spent years at sea in the Pacific and 2 meters is far short of average.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

I can understand being detected from the air when submerged in shallow clear water. But testing my Death from above mission with TM the planes (many of them ) didn't catch sight of me at all. Maybe Ducimus' planes ain't so bad after all. They made minced meat out of surface ships though. The best thing to do I guess is to submerge, run deep and hold onto yer Rubber Ducky!

[Rockin Robbins]

You're making too much of a situation which can be handled without breaking a sweat. Cruising underwater during the daytime is a losing proposition with or without Ducimus' evil airplanes. Look for alternative behaviours and reap the benefits.

[walrusbomb]

Rockin Robbins, are you implying there's a TM airborne detection modifier based on movement?

If TM planes don't spot me as "easily" while stationary in 30m of water, I'll be a happy skipper.

It was the thought of some plane magically catching me day-napping in 30m of enemy waters that scared me.

[Rockin Robbins]

My strategy, based on "Thunder Below" by Eugene Fluckey. It works wonderfully in SH4.

A submarine is not meant to submerge. It is a surface ship that can submerge when absolutely necessary. Your success depends on searching the largest number of square miles of ocean surface in the smallest amount of time. This means cruising on the surface, using radar.

As a side benefit, the radar finds Ducimus' evil planes before they even dream about your presence. Seeing the minimum number of planes means never letting one spot you. You submerge to 200' when they are 5 miles out and stay down for 10 minutes. Go to radar depth, on the all-clear surface and hit 10 knots again. Rinse and repeat. This means you are at 10 knots on the surface, almost all the time, using your radar to search the greatest amount of ocean surface. It also means you will see many fewer aircraft because you will not be sighted. Shooting at aircraft is beneath consideration. Even if you hit it, he's called all his buddies and you're going to spend a lot of time submerged, missing big juicy targets.

At the end of the war, when nobody could find targets, Fluckey was awash with them because he had reasoned the situation out. Finding targets is just a numbers game. The more area you can search in a given amount of time, the greater your chances of locating targets and the more artificial reefs you can manufacture. The method locks out Ducimus' evil airplanes and makes them nothing more dangerous than cute, fluffy kitty cats.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

I take offence of you referring Kitty cats as fluffy!:rotfl:

It's not such a big deal even in TM as RR said it correctly SD Radar pick them up easily enough for you to sumberge. Although I do not go deep at all maybe 100' max. I even see that Duciboy added in LBO which killed off that awful surfing sub.

[walrusbomb]

excellent post, RR.

Im on some of the non-combat missions now that are taking me deep into enemy waters where I have to "sleep" by day and sneak around all night. Perhaps there's a better strategy than this for the non-combat missions, but I'm loving watching planes (external camera) fly overhead all day while I "nap" 1 KM off the shores of Japan. Anyone who's sailed the frigid Nihon seas will know just how easily one can hide a sub from a plane in such dark water.

Seems like TM will force me to rethink this strategy.

[clayp]

Originally Posted by clayp

I have been playing SH4 for awhile and currently running TM 1.76 and RSRD..I have yet to be attacked by any planes.....:hmm:

Thats ok self one of these days you will......

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

I take offence of you referring Kitty cats as fluffy!:rotfl:

I meant OTHER PEOPLE's cute, fluffy kitty cats.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

Oh, ok then.