It's the final version that I am worried about ... National ID Card

[geetrue]

This was news to me that a national ID card was being designed.I knew about the new US passport card with a chip ...
but this new standard for all US drivers license was news to me.

I was concerned at first, but after reading the Homeland Defense reasons and fact sheet I guess I brained washed myself into thinking it really is something we need.

First I had to pretend to be an airport security person and then a US Customs official and finally a US Border guard to see it is sorely needed, but I am also a believer in the number 666 being for the end of time as man kind knows it ... I don't even want to see the final version.

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr...7422.shtmQuote from press release 1/11/08

“The American public’s desire for greater identity protection is undeniable,” said Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. “Americans understand today that the 9/11 hijackers obtained 30 drivers licenses and ID’s, and used 364 aliases. For an extra $8 per license, REAL ID will give law enforcement and security officials a powerful advantage against falsified documents, and it will bring some peace of mind to citizens wanting to protect their identity from theft by a criminal or illegal alien.”

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1161115330477.shtm
October 2006

Protecting Personal Privacy

We constantly look for ways to protect the privacy of travelers entering the United States. Through the passport card design, personal privacy would be protected through multiple layers of security including, but not limited to, the methods discussed below.· No personal information would be transmitted or stored on the vicinity RFID-enabled card. The technology will transmit only a number between the card and the reader which will be matched against a DHS database. · Even though no personally identifiable information will be transmitted, DHS is taking steps to ensure that even this number cannot be intercepted during transmission to an authorized reader at a port of entry. · All card holders would be issued a protective sleeve for the card, preventing transmission of the Vicinity RFID signal while the card is in the sleeve. · The use of the card will be voluntary; travelers can elect to use a traditional passport if they so chose.

[Tchocky]

I'm glad that Gordon Brown is going off the idea of ID cards for Britain. I hope it doesn't happen the US

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'm glad that Gordon Brown is going off the idea of ID cards for Britain. I hope it doesn't happen the US

This is due to all those bloody cock ups last year, fear not if Labour are re-elected in 2009 you can bet your ass the ID Card will be top of there agenda.

ID Cards first then RFID in bedded in Humans, fight back against this evil now and today.

ID Cards will not stop terrorist attacking and immigrates coming in, it's all BS.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by STEED

This is due to all those bloody cock ups last year, fear not if Labour are re-elected in 2009 to can bet your ass the ID Card will be top of there agenda.

I'm not so sure, man. This week he really stressed that it would be a Parliamentary vote that would decide it. Of course everything goes through Parliament, but I think he's trying to give himself some wiggle room. There's a depressing amount of people in Labour who want ID cards, I think he wants to avoid a backbench revolt.

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[STEED]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'm not so sure, man. This week he really stressed that it would be a Parliamentary vote that would decide it. Of course everything goes through Parliament, but I think he's trying to give himself some wiggle room. There's a depressing amount of people in Labour who want ID cards, I think he wants to avoid a backbench revolt.

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ID Cards are hated, Gordon wants to be re-elected so it's time to be the nice guy this year. Just wait to the budget give away as the mass brain dead will lap it up like mothers milk. And come 2009 the X goes next to Labour.

[STEED]

Next terrorist attack will open the door to the ID Card for sure.

[mrbeast]

Its Ironic that the incompetance of the civil service is making ID cards less likely!

I'm against the idea on principle and in practice, hopefully the government will quietly sweep it under the carpet like they do with other 'good ideas' that don't turrn out so good.

[Ducimus]

I hate invoking godwin, but the praise is unavoidable.

"Papers, papers please"
(my google image search results on the above praise)

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I hate invoking godwin, but the praise is unavoidable.

"Papers, papers please"
(my google image search results on the above praise)

Exactly what came to my mind!

Originally Posted by MothBalls

Most Americans don't remember that a Social Security number was intended to be used to manage your SS account by the Federal Government and nothing else. Now 50% of your identity is tied to it, including your credit rating, employment records, etc.

Same thing will happen with this idea eventually. Ever couple of years they'll add a little more... and share a little more... until you sacrifice all your privacy. They justify it by saying they have to do it in for the sake of security.

Next on the list, freedoms.

Very, very true.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-commonly attributed to Benjamin Franklin, though he denied it in a 1760 letter to David Hume

"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."
-Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1738

[lesrae]

Originally Posted by MothBalls

Most Americans don't remember that a Social Security number was intended to be used to manage your SS account by the Federal Government and nothing else. Now 50% of your identity is tied to it, including your credit rating, employment records, etc.

We're lucky, our National Insurance number (the closest equivalent) is only used by the government for tax and health purposes - it doesn't come in to credit or banking.

In the USA, do you have to carry your driving licence if you're driving a vehicle? It's one of those things I've got the idea of from TV. In the UK we don't, but we have to produce it at a police station within 2 weeks if requested.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by lesrae

In the USA, do you have to carry your driving licence if you're driving a vehicle? It's one of those things I've got the idea of from TV. In the UK we don't, but we have to produce it at a police station within 2 weeks if requested.

Sounds a little laid back to me, "Oh I'm so sorry Mr Terroist you are parked in a no parking zone" "Could you please come down to the station in the next couple of weeks and show your drivers license"? "Just a mere formaility you understand"

Yes, we have to have registeration papers for the car we are driving and a valid drivers license or come down to the traffic court in the next thirty days to pay a fine.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by lesrae

In the USA, do you have to carry your driving licence if you're driving a vehicle? It's one of those things I've got the idea of from TV. In the UK we don't, but we have to produce it at a police station within 2 weeks if requested.

It may vary from state to state (driver licenses are issued by the states, not at the national level) but everywhere I've lived you had to have it if you were driving. Many functions here also require a photo ID, so most of us have it on our persons all the time anyway.

[Peto]

Originally Posted by geetrue

“The American public’s desire for greater identity protection is undeniable,” said Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. “Americans understand today that the 9/11 hijackers obtained 30 drivers licenses and ID’s, and used 364 aliases. For an extra $8 per license, REAL ID will give law enforcement and security officials a powerful advantage against falsified documents, and it will bring some peace of mind to citizens wanting to protect their identity from theft by a criminal or illegal alien.”

I have yet to talk to an American that believes this is a good idea. Although I'm sure they're out there. And since this Nat ID card isn't supposed to go into full swing until 2014, I doubt the threat of terrorism is what it's main thrust is. More likely, it'll just make tracking easier. Tracking what? Who? Everyone?