Dear Joea - Americans over China pre WWII

terminated

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by Wave Skipper

My real point was not to argue old wars - it was to lay the ground work for removing apple pie and laying something higher and greater: acceptance of the final computation of civilizations - as they unify into the world wide super-entity.

Yes, I will try to find out what the FOIA acts were about that so-last-century history. But what I am going to do now is preach my love of Globalism, pc, and one world unity that you rebels are always resisting. Such resistance is futile.

Removing apple pie? One world unity? What planet are you from? Reminds me of a series of books Left Behind.

[August]

Originally Posted by Wave Skipper

Last - August - go back and learn about 1941. FDR had run on a promise not to get the US into war. He had to have an incident to turn the over 90% of Americans who were against a war into favoring the war.

Maybe you ought to go back and learn about 1941 yourself.

First off Pearl Harbor was not the only target of the Japanese during the opening days of the war. There is no way that attacking our forces stationed in the Phillipines and on Guam and Wake islands would not have been enough to get the American people on board for a war against the Axis, so there was absolutely no need for FDR to sacrifice the fleet at Pearl Harbor.

Secondly, FDR was not some first term president. This was his THIRD term. The president who had led the country out of the woods of the Great Depression.

Why would you guys pretend that governments don't work behind the scenes? I know why. You are the sort that what mom and apple pie sotries about your nation. You do know I hope that FDR enacted perhaps more presidential orders that were later knocked down by the Supreme Court than any other president? I doubt you do.

What makes you think i pretend that? Because I don't think FDR was stupid? FDR was indeed planning for war. Planning against possible eventualities is something I would expect a good chief executive to do. But does all that translate into foreknowledge of the time and means of the Japanese attack as Stinnet claims? No it doesn't.

3-3=0

[sonar732]

I'll add to August's post.

The Naval thought at the time was a surface engagement based on dreadnoughts or battleships. Yes, with the successful attack on Taranto by the Brits and the simulated attack on the Panama Canal by the Saratoga and Lady Lex via Fleet Problem IX. The difference was that Pearl Harbor was only 40 feet deep and the Japanese planes were too fast for a standard torpedo to drop in that shallow of water. Aircraft Carrier tactics were still in their infancy as evident by the mutiple "Fleet Problem" exercises.

One month before FDR froze Japanese assests, he froze German and Italian assets. The oil embargo wasn't just against the Japanese, it was against all aggressor states.

have a good day

[joea]

Originally Posted by Wave Skipper

the rat Robert B. Stinnett. Or that is what Joea says - I suppose Joea too has many battle stars from WWII. It seems that at least over a decade ago this rat Stinnet was some sort of friend of the Bush Family. And I find this about the rat while surfing around:

DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. I never said Stinnett was a rat. I expect your public apology for that remark. Then, if you want I'll e-mail you the article (I got it due to access from my former Uni account). Otherwise I'll be done with you.