Bismarck, Yamato or Arizona

[NiclDoe]

Originally Posted by TriskettheKid

Iowa-class, of course.

USS New Jersey.

and i got a photo of her when i went there last year cause i live in NJ
<a href="http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ict0001xr7.jpg" this baby can kick all other BBs buts becuase her 16 AP inch ammo has the same power as the yammys 18 HE in ammo.

[TriskettheKid]

Originally Posted by NiclDoe

and i got a photo of her when i went there last year cause i live in NJ
<a href="http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ict0001xr7.jpg" this baby can kick all other BBs buts becuase her 16 AP inch ammo has the same power as the yammys 18 HE in ammo.

Despite going to college, and now living, in Boston, Philadelphia is my hometown. I've visited the Black Dragon quite a few times, the first being before it was even finished for it's role as a floating museum. I remember walking through one of the exhibits, which was of rough sea conditions, and it not being finished. Most notably, the seaman over the head, which was full of vomit, had not been finished being painted.

My grandfather laughed when he saw that. Said it reminded him of one storm his DD went through in the North Atlantic. The only two people who weren't ill at some point were him and the ship's captain.

[Rwolf]

Yamato ftw, in her resurrected version.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_B...ato_(spaceship)

[Mush Martin]

I actually had a mod for that model in Freelancer (nondriveable)
M

[Biggles]

USS Missouri.

Famous for, as an example, the fact that the unconditional surrender of the Japanese Empire to the Allied Forces was signed onboard the Missouri.

[Jimbuna]

Surrender photos

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/e...ansur/js-8.htm

[Wulfmann]

Great post with positive thought of favorite ships all deserving of them and their brave crews.

While I would like to agree on USS Missouri considering my Uncle served on her from before commissioning until his discharge and he met my aunt to whom he was married for over 50 years when the Mighty Mo went from port to port showing off the plaque the truth is that great ship served as an escort and shore-bombarder and even her glory of the surrender was a bit unfair as Whiskey (USS Wisconsin) was in the bay for a week but Truman insisted his home state's ship be the one that got that honor.

When Mo entered the war the battleship was no longer "the" ship. That ended with a torpedo in the stern of Bismarck and the sinking of the HMS Prince of Wales and Repulse.
The seas were no longer to be ruled "on" the seas but above and below the water.

Can one look at Derrflinger, put stack covers, enclose the mast and add an Atlantic bow and wow what a beautiful ship we would have. Trunk the exhaust into one stack and poof, Scharnhorst and/or Bismarck, close enough

Wulfmann

[linerkiller]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

Can one look at Derrflinger, put stack covers, enclose the mast and add an Atlantic bow and wow what a beautiful ship we would have. Trunk the exhaust into one stack and poof, Scharnhorst and/or Bismarck, close enough

Wulfmann

Very accurate observation Wulfmann
Actually, the Scharnhorst class was based on the WW1 plans of the 32000-ton battlecruiser Mackensen, which was never completed. Only differences were the "cruiser" stern, the planned two funnels trunked into one, a more massive tower and, lately, a clipper bow... The mackensen was in fact an improved derfflinger, bigger, slightly faster, and with 355mm guns


The next projected step, the Yorck class armed with eight 15 inch guns

In the end, they were only bigger copies of the Derfy

[Zakalwe]

Hi,

as we are getting a little into WWI, maybe someone is interested in "Jutland" which is soon to be out.

http://www.stormeaglestudios.com/pub...e_Jutland.html

The graphics aren`t as glorious as in SH3, but it`s ok.

I already have the earlier title from SES, "Distant Guns", which deals with the Russo-Japanese war at sea in 1904/05. Interesting for us Sub-simmers, is the goal of the campaign as the Russian player, you have to disrupt the re-supply through sinking or capturing as many merchants as possible, this is the only way to halt the Japanese ground attack. Unlike in SH3 your efforts at sea really decide the war.

DG for sure is the best Navy RTS since the "Fighting Steel" series from SSI. A free Demo download is available, but here you are only able to play a single scenario, the game really shines in the campaign. What one has to get used to is the short ranges these battles where fought, effective gun range begins only at around 3 km.

Greets

Z.

PS.: Some of my favourite screenshots from DG:

My Armoured cruisers hunting down some unlucky light cruisers:



Admiral Togo`s fleet



My heavy metal (three Battleships and two Armoured Cruisers) in heavy weather, notice the smoke is blown ahaed of the ships)



Into the sun:

[bookworm_020]

None of them get my vote.

The Arizona gets the flick as she was the oldest and least up to date of the three. The Bismark was based on the Bayern Class battleship from WW1 ( a modernized version, but simlar layout), IT had a short but spectacular life, but it still gets the chop. The Yamato gets the flick as well, due to it the things listed in the in the first post comparing battleships.

The Iowa's were the best overall, but I do have a soft spot for HMS Warspite

[Graf Paper]

I'd have to vote for the Iowa-class BBs. Specifically the USS Missouri, BB-63, as it was on her decks that World War II finally came to an end with the signing of the unconditional surrender of Imperial Japan.

You can well understand why the USS New Jersey's firepower was feared by the Vietcong. The following description about the 16-inch main gun was given by a naval gunnery officer aboard the USS Missouri during the First Gulf War in 1991:

"Try to imagine an old Volkswagen hurtling through the air at over 2,000 m.p.h. and travelling a distance of 22 miles before smashing into your house."



Now THAT is one helluva gun!

[Wulfmann]

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

The Bismark was based on the Bayern Class battleship from WW1 ( a modernized version, but simlar layout)

Making capital letters does not actually authenticate the statement.
Some do say this and there are inherent similarities but while designers looked at all the data to draw on; the Bismarck was an evolution that came from Scharnhorst and that came from Mackensen which came from Derrflinger.
Look at the plans for all the 4 classes or just assume the similar turret arrangement trumps hull design armor layout etc and believe what makes you feel good.
The fact some particularly in British circles having had a bug regarding Bismarck's success and in so doing made bias statements did not actually make them fact.
I remember discussing this at the Imperial War Museum after Iowa's turret exploded and this "expert" now concluded this is what happened to the Hood and she had not been sunk by the Bismarck.
I then asked if he really felt without any proof that he was so desirous to diminish the reputation of the German warship he would suggest the Hood was not beaten in a fair fight but rather self destructed by shear incompetence of her crew????
I then stated I would not without proof dishonor the brave crew of the HMS Hood and most in the room strongly agreed.
There are many that study history with an agenda and some sadly, do so with Bismarck vainly trying to take away her rightly deserved victory and at times not realizing they disgrace those that they intend to lift up.
This also occurred over Jutland a series of excuses as Britain expected to crush the Germany navy when fully engaged and the fact they had them dead to right and the Krauts punched them in the eye and got away was a national disgrace as Britannia ruled the waves so the excuses started.
Those of us that enjoy, objectively the search for the truth are not bound by a preconceived outcome to then fashion any facts.
Facts being difficult to ascertain but results are easier and even they have their set of excuses to cloud reality.
Makes for fun research and discussion.

Wulfmann

[Cohaagen]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

The fact some particularly in British circles having had a bug regarding Bismarck's success and in so doing made bias statements did not actually make them fact.
Wulfmann

Can you give an example, other than a hazy name-dropping anecdote? All the recent treatments of the Bismarck chase and Jutland by British authors (that I've read) have been pretty even-handed. A historian stakes his reputation on lack of bias and partisan thinking. And who was this "expert"?

The only thing that "bugs" the British is the tedious claim, carried out ad absurdum by the likes of Cameron, that Bismarck was scuttled and not sunk, thereby preserving some honour of the wistfully noble, faintly Imperial, not-in-the-least-bit-Nazi, German navy.

I can't think of any excuses over Jutland either. The main controversy was whether or not Jellicoe had been aggressive enough. In fact, the Royal Navy was ungrudging in their assessment of the Imperial German Navy's superiority in night-fighting, range-finding and so on. Read some Admiralty reports from the WWI thru Interbellum period - the findings on the qualities of KMS Baden's armour plate are practically fawning.

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Not many of them left I should imagine :hmm:

Not many at all. The Force Z and HMS Hood reunions are still well attended though.

[Jimbuna]

I wonder how many are alive today ? :hmm:

I believe there were approx 1285 from Prince Of Wales, 796 from Repulse and 3 from Hood

[NiclDoe]

Yepp Jim your right about the surivors. the Hood was a great ship with little to no deck armor.