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SUBMAN1 · 12-15-07, 03:13 PM

That is a seperate topic. This is like saying that I paid GM to design a car for me and then they tooled up and built the car. From that point on, no matter how many cars I buy, regardless of my development cycle, I pay the same to have as many as I want from then on assuming no streamlining the production.

That is what i am saying. The American tax payer has already paid the development bill. That is done and over with, regardless of how many F-22's are produced.

What you are saying is, that F-22 is going to cost an additional $300 Million if we only buy one more. This is how you are writing it. It doesn't!

-S

Skybird · 12-15-07, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

What you are saying is, that F-22 is going to cost an additional $300 Million if we only buy one more. This is how you are writing it. It doesn't!

-S

No, that is not what I am saying, but - however.

SUBMAN1 · 12-15-07, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

What you are saying is, that F-22 is going to cost an additional $300 Million if we only buy one more. This is how you are writing it. It doesn't!

-S

No, that is not what I am saying, but - however.

Maybe this is a translation error? That is how I read what you wrote. Sorry if I misread something.

-S

Skybird · 12-15-07, 03:42 PM

Value of the flying unit:

( [ (production cost for one unit + profit range) x number of total orders] + project developement costs ) / number of total units.

You see, the value of the unit is varying, depending on how many units get produced. The investement has exlcusively been done by the american taxpayer. It is history, but that does not matter: even if the production akes polace in three phases, and each phase sees lower prices per unit, it nevertheless remains to stay in the formula. If the company does not wish to cash in the increasing profit per unit (resulting from that the developement costs get divided by the more unit numkbers, the more units get produced), then it will keep the profit constant, which allow it to lower the price, the more additonal units get produced. This price shift is taking place in steps, since the product get's produced in phases (orders for a set of a given number of aircraft, not one-by-one).

Different for the customer from overseas. For him, the formula loos like this:

[ (production cost for one unit + profit range) x number of total orders] / number of total units.

what remains from that formula:

(production cost for one unit + profit range) x number of total orders

He will not be charged to add a bonus for the developement to the price, as long as the price remaisn to be the same as for the american customer.

you see it now? Your price is more according to the second formula. You think that money that has been spend on development - has not been payed at all. That'S why you only see the current fly away price. Me and "citics of the F22 program"

see that the ready product did not fall in a finished state inbto the catalogue, but had to be designed, and that design costed money - american tax money. and this tax money needs to be reflected to calculate the costs of the flying units.

You make a time step that does not make sense. Because after all you still have payed for the developement. If you still don't get it, have some sleep and try again tomorrow. It is not difficult, really!

:rotfl:

12-15-07, 03:13 PM	#16
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That is a seperate topic. This is like saying that I paid GM to design a car for me and then they tooled up and built the car. From that point on, no matter how many cars I buy, regardless of my development cycle, I pay the same to have as many as I want from then on assuming no streamlining the production. That is what i am saying. The American tax payer has already paid the development bill. That is done and over with, regardless of how many F-22's are produced. What you are saying is, that F-22 is going to cost an additional $300 Million if we only buy one more. This is how you are writing it. It doesn't! -S __________________

12-15-07, 03:42 PM	#19
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,683 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Value of the flying unit: ( [ (production cost for one unit + profit range) x number of total orders] + project developement costs ) / number of total units. You see, the value of the unit is varying, depending on how many units get produced. The investement has exlcusively been done by the american taxpayer. It is history, but that does not matter: even if the production akes polace in three phases, and each phase sees lower prices per unit, it nevertheless remains to stay in the formula. If the company does not wish to cash in the increasing profit per unit (resulting from that the developement costs get divided by the more unit numkbers, the more units get produced), then it will keep the profit constant, which allow it to lower the price, the more additonal units get produced. This price shift is taking place in steps, since the product get's produced in phases (orders for a set of a given number of aircraft, not one-by-one). Different for the customer from overseas. For him, the formula loos like this: [ (production cost for one unit + profit range) x number of total orders] / number of total units. what remains from that formula: (production cost for one unit + profit range) x number of total orders He will not be charged to add a bonus for the developement to the price, as long as the price remaisn to be the same as for the american customer. you see it now? Your price is more according to the second formula. You think that money that has been spend on development - has not been payed at all. That'S why you only see the current fly away price. Me and "citics of the F22 program" see that the ready product did not fall in a finished state inbto the catalogue, but had to be designed, and that design costed money - american tax money. and this tax money needs to be reflected to calculate the costs of the flying units. You make a time step that does not make sense. Because after all you still have payed for the developement. If you still don't get it, have some sleep and try again tomorrow. It is not difficult, really! :rotfl: __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.