I'd pay good money if he'd just shut up...

[Skybird]

"Wer einmal lügt, dem glaubt man nicht, auch wenn er die Wahrheit spricht." (= remember the boy who cried "wolf".)

Bush's two major acchievements as president: nobody believs America anything anymore, and he helped to massively boost global anti-americanism. It is self-amde, and it is because of obvious lobbying selfishness, and lies, tricks and deceptions. After 9/11, most of the globes sympathies were with America. It either needs criminal intention, or stupidity of almost ingenious dimensions to turn that into it's exact and complete opposite.

Idiot.

[Herr_Pete]

do you think we could make a petition so he can be "accidently" mauled by a pack of wild badgers n perhaps chinchillas. Make it looks like an accident

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skybird

"Wer einmal lügt, dem glaubt man nicht, auch wenn er die Wahrheit spricht." (= remember the boy who cried "wolf".)

Bush's two major acchievements as president: nobody believs America anything anymore, and he helped to massively boost global anti-americanism. It is self-amde, and it is because of obvious lobbying selfishness, and lies, tricks and deceptions.

See - you are just describing what was going to happen to Kerry, or Gore, or Bush - regardless of who was in office. With the fall of the Soviet Empire in the 90's, that left one country super power. I remember reading an article in the 90's (Time Magazine - 1995?) where they predicted the exact statements you are describing here. They also predicted pretty much all the doom and gloomsayers of America. It is a given. When the fear of nuclear anilation subsides, and the tensions come down, the the jelousy starts at the one country left standing. I don't fault you for this. It is natural. It is the way the world felt about Germany at one point, and the same about the UK, as with every other power the world has known.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Also amazes me people still defend him. Why can't everyone admit we the people F'ed up when our country elected and re elected him? Yes, Bush Jr is not stupid, hes acutally very intelligent - what he is not, is wise, prudent, and patient. These are what we need in the man who holds the nuclear football, the man who sends our nations sons and daughters to a war, and does not view the world through a set of horse blinders.

I'd have to disagree with the patience part, and the wise part. He has both of those qualities, and is a very calm person. He is the perfect person to hold the keys to the nuke football. Think of what the alternative could be - Kerry could be smiling at and shaking hands with foreign leaders, all the while holding that footbal behind his back and pushing the button. If Kerry didn't get into politics, he would have made a great mob boss. He shares their exact same qualities.

-S

[Skybird]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...521341,00.html

It's hard to imagine a more embarrassing setback for the White House's Iran policy. There are a number of probable consequences. The intelligence estimate will make it harder for the US government to talk the international community into tougher sanctions against Iran -- as the US had actually planned to do at a UN Security Council meeting later in December.
The new findings will also worsen the trench warfare within the US government. A rift has deepened for months between a group of advisors around Vice President Dick Cheney, who has assiduously called for a military attack against Iran, and the US State Department as well as large portions of the military, who consider such a move both dangerous and unwise.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

See - you are just describing what was going to happen to Kerry, or Gore, or Bush - regardless of who was in office. With the fall of the Soviet Empire in the 90's, that left one country super power. I remember reading an article in the 90's (Time Magazine - 1995?) where they predicted the exact statements you are describing here. They also predicted pretty much all the doom and gloomsayers of America. It is a given. When the fear of nuclear anilation subsides, and the tensions come down, the the jelousy starts at the one country left standing. I don't fault you for this. It is natural. It is the way the world felt about Germany at one point, and the same about the UK, as with every other power the world has known.

-S

No. Bush'y attitudfe and behavior has been totally tarrible on so many occasions, every candidate you named usually behaves far more intelligent and clever, than Bush does. Also, some decisions of Bush and how he excused them were so stupid that one cannot imagine that record to be fulfilled by any of thes eother guys so easily. And finally, esoecially the democratic candidates probbaly would not have been so vulnarable to fall to the neocon's agenda, who usually are associated with the rightwinged republicans, not the democrats.

Stop defending an idiot! Loyalty to an idiot just falls back onto you. And that hardly could be seen as a compliment. "Who is the greater fool? the fool or the guy who follows him?"

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Stop defending an idiot! Loyalty to an idiot just falls back onto you. And that hardly could be seen as a compliment. "Who is the greater fool? the fool or the guy who follows him?"

Stop telling us to stop defending our President. People like you make me wish i could vote him in for a third term.

[Tchocky]

I think I've internalised most of the crap coming from DC these days, living in America did that to me. It's a lot easier to complain from a long way away, gets a little more complex in the US.
What I mean by internalised is that it doesn't even raise my eyebrows anymore. So bloody used to it. Which is a shame, seeing as there's a lot to get angry about.

Oh, and saying that things "would have been worse" under a different President is a little specious. It took an event that no-one expected to turn a mild-mannered nonentity into a paranoid delusional God-bothered wreck.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

Stop telling us to stop defending our President. People like you make me wish i could vote him in for a third term.

You do not represent a majority of your people anymore. Last number I heared is Bush support is far below 30%, and a substantial majority being against him.

Who is the greater fool - the fool or the guy who follows him...

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You do not represent a majority of your people anymore. Last number I heared is Bush support is far below 30%, and a substantial majority being against him.

Please don't confuse job approval ratings with being for or against the president. You know very well this is not the same thing.

Who is the greater fool - the fool or the guy who follows him...

I say the fool who has no clue where he stands. This means you. You sit here and tell me how much you hate this and that about radical Islam for example, yet you hate the one man on the planet standing against them, and then condem him for it? You need to take a breather from society I say and go and find yourself.

-S

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You sit here and tell me how much you hate this and that about radical Islam for example, yet you hate the one man on the planet standing against them, and then condem him for it?

I'd say a man for whom the appearance of standing against radical islam works. Saying he's the only one is flat-out wrong.
Also, given the rhetoric coming from Bin Laden, and the increasingly polarised world, you could say that GW Bush is helping out. That "with us/against us" stuff, etc.
And there's a lot more to criticise him for than his "policies" regarding Islam.

I don't agree with Skybird on a lot of things, but I wouldn't say he has no idea where he stands.

[SUBMAN1]

So, if this is correct, who exactly is standing up then? I see no one. Maybe someone from your fantasyland? Sure, leaders give hand outs, and token forces, but they are just gestures for favor. Only the Brits have done any real good. Outside of GW then (since the Brits are pulling out), are you refering to?

-S

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Please don't confuse job approval ratings with being for or against the president. You know very well this is not the same thing.

I know very well that now a majority of Americans will be happy on the day he leaves office.

I say the fool who has no clue where he stands. This means you. You sit here and tell me how much you hate this and that about radical Islam for example, yet you hate the one man on the planet standing against them, and then condem him for it? You need to take a breather from society I say and go and find yourself.

And you need to stop taking sunbaths in your own self-imagined greatness, else you end as smoking coal. Bush does not stand against islam. How could that be said of a man who lacks the intellect to understand what Islam is, and whose family has close ties with one of ther worst islamic enemies there are - Saudi Arabia, and who pushed for years a policy that officialy another ,major enemy, Pakistan, as an ally? :rotfl:

Bush making a stand against Islam. That must be the joke of the year in thois forum! Next you tell me he is the savior of New Orleans!

He is your idol. fine. leave it to that. And if you ever visit Western, Northern and Southern Europe, don't be too eager to let people know - chances are you might find yourself at the receiving end of some non-stopping joking.

[mapuc]

Do you remember the 80-ies?

When there were lots of demostration almost every day in Germany, England a.s.o

against Reagans decision to place nuke in europe? BUT no one was demostrating against The russian who was placing nukes Not so far from Germany.

Nowaday every one know that it was the KGB how wad behind all this.

Maybe one day in the future we will learn, that it was Saudia-Arabia(maybe) who was behind this "anti bush-thing"

Markus

[Chock]

Do you remember the 80-ies? When there were lots of demostration almost every day in Germany, England a.s.o against Reagans decision to place nuke in europe? BUT no one was demostrating against The russian who was placing nukes Not so far from Germany.

Nowaday every one know that it was the KGB how wad behind all this.

Maybe one day in the future we will learn, that it was Saudia-Arabia(maybe) who was behind this "anti bush-thing"

That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read in my life.

Chock