When are we going to see the end of US bashing?

Originally Posted by DeepIron

C'mon WG... you're baiting... LOL... :rotfl:

The issue, as I see it, is pretty simple really, and unfortunate. The world "sees" the actions and effects of the American government and not the American people... Anyone abroad who thinks we live like kings over here is poorly informed... American society has it's share of issues..

I have yet to meet ANYONE in my travels both home and abroad, who wouldn't sit down with me "as a person" and talk over a beer, drink, dinner, whatever...

Imbeciles like Dubb-Ya and a confused, aggressive, "Imperialistic" Federal attitude about bringing "Democracy" to the "poor, unenlightened masses of the world" creates a bias towards Americans.

Hey, I put my pants on just the way *most* of the rest of the males in the world do...

I'm not trying to bait anyone, even Letum stated it should be talked about. I have yet to see a reason for the US bashing, other than they don't like GWB and his policies. For the most part our congress has either supported or enabled those policies. Since the US is a republic I'd have to say that when the canard regarding the addministration verses the US people is raised it is just that a prevarication.

Originally Posted by DeepIron

From the other thread:

No it isn't... but neither is intruding "at will" into the affairs of other nations... Walking in "like we own the place" isn't going to make us any new friends...

Tell that to Microsoft. Or the Bosnians. Or the people of Darfur who would love to have some nation stop the carnage.

[U49]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Are you saying that as long as the US does things the way the rest of the world wants its all OK.?

You are quite focused on your poll options, aren't you?
OK. If you take foreign politics: Better do things after you have learned what it is about and what the other views are.

And this has nothing to do with the US doing things different, but for a change: they would understand what they are doing and why.

[DeepIron]

I'm not trying to bait anyone...

You've asked an 'open ended' rhetorical question to which there is no singular answer. The law of averages will probably raise its ugly head and someone will get emotionally charged, say something fairly inappropriate, and the thread will be closed.

But until then...

I have yet to see a reason for the US bashing, other than they don't like GWB and his policies.

What? That isn't enough? Almost 8 years of this nitwit thumbing his nose at Congress, lying to the American people, foisting his "world view" upon the rest of us...

Geez, I'm an American and I can't stand the guy ("we all chipped in for a bag of cement" to quote Paul McCartney)... I can understand why others in the global community might seize upon him as an icon of Americanism and maybe not like the rest of us too much..

Originally Posted by U49

You are quite focused on your poll options, aren't you?
OK. If you take foreign politics: Better do things after you have learned what it is about and what the other views are.

And this has nothing to do with the US doing things different, but for a change: they would understand what they are doing and why.

That is a fine sentiment U49. How long do you think the US has been doing things w/o understanding what they(more GWB slamming) it is/are doing and why?

[PapaG39]

Nope! people just love to bitch about something.

And I couldn't care less... Let them bitch.
I still live in a free country and it suits me just fine... I support President Bush also. I think he is doing just fine...To bad he couldn't go another term.

Originally Posted by fatty

Bizarrerly worded flamebait thread with a public poll... good things will come of this.

I'd have thought you were serious save your vote in favor of each poll subject.

[Winston]

It depends on how one would define 'bashing'. If you mean expressing an opinion on current United States policy then as long as it worded in a thoughtful and non-insulting way then it should be fine. However, anyone who verbally attacks any country using foolish generalisations obliviously steps way out of line.
I live in Wales myself and enjoy quite a good western lifestyle. I get to do a lot of things thus I can say I'm not jealous of the United States. I think most people living in the western world would honestly tell you they are not jealous either. Most Europeans will probably have quite different views on a lot of topics then people in the United States and thus will often find themselves erupting in debate.


If I may Waste Gate I'd like to ask why you used the word jealousy? Personally if I were to look more closely at the term I might be slightly insulted myself that you'd think I'd be jealous. I'd ask myself, “Dose he think that I'd be jealous because he believes I'm worse off then the average United States citizen as I happen to live in Wales?”


Might I venture the question. Why dose it seem that there is so much 'resentment' to the United States? Might I then suggest that you review each releasable response you receive and think about these different point of view. Put yourself in there shoes and perhaps you might understand how and why there is resentment out there.


p.s. I did not vote by the way as I have no resentment toward the American people.

Originally Posted by DeepIron

You've asked an 'open ended' rhetorical question to which there is no singular answer. The law of averages will probably raise its ugly head and someone will get emotionally charged, say something fairly inappropriate, and the thread will be closed.

But until then...

What? That isn't enough? Almost 8 years of this nitwit thumbing his nose at Congress, lying to the American people, foisting his "world view" upon the rest of us...

Geez, I'm an American and I can't stand the guy ("we all chipped in for a bag of cement" to quote Paul McCartney)... I can understand why others in the global community might seize upon him as an icon of Americanism and maybe not like the rest of us too much..

Open ended questions are no more than exercising my right to free speach. If you see it as a problem it says more about you than me. You dont really believe in free speach do you?

Basic US policy hasn't changed in thirty-plus years. Bashing GWB isn't helping your effort. Like I stated earlier congress has either endorsed or allowed everything GWB has done. If anything congress and the people of the US are at fault as much as GWB.

[U49]

Originally Posted by waste gate

How long do you think the US has been doing things w/o understanding what they(more GWB slamming) it is/are doing and why?

I don't want to drift into your internal politics wether it was this guy, his predecessor or whoever. It's your election, not mine.

But I still can remember the days, when someone in the US made smart moves.

OT (sorry, but I feel it fits) : Not an example of "smart" but afterwards one of my all-time favorites:
"My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you today that I`ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." :rotfl:
Guess who was that ?

Originally Posted by Winston

It depends on how one would define 'bashing'. If you mean expressing an opinion on current United States policy then as long as it worded in a thoughtful and non-insulting way then it should be fine. However, anyone who verbally attacks any country using foolish generalisations obliviously steps way out of line.
I live in Wales myself and enjoy quite a good western lifestyle. I get to do a lot of things thus I can say I'm not jealous of the United States. I think most people living in the western world would honestly tell you they are not jealous either. Most Europeans will probably have quite different views on a lot of topics then people in the United States and thus will often find themselves erupting in debate.


If I may Waste Gate I'd like to ask why you used the word jealousy? Personally if I were to look more closely at the term I might be slightly insulted myself that you'd think I'd be jealous. I'd ask myself, “Dose he think that I'd be jealous because he believes I'm worse off then the average United States citizen as I happen to live in Wales?”


Might I venture the question. Why dose it seem that there is so much 'resentment' to the United States? Might I then suggest that you review each releasable response you receive and think about these different point of view. Put yourself in there shoes and perhaps you might understand how and why there is resentment out there.


p.s. I did not vote by the way as I have no resentment toward the American people.

Perhaps a better word was envy. Britain, Germany, France, et al, were powers in the past and are not now. Perhaps their populations are less than happy with their political place in the world. I didn't mean to cast aspersions on anyone's socio-economic position, nor how the see themselves.

Originally Posted by U49

OT (sorry, but I feel it fits) : Not an example of "smart" but afterwards one of my all-time favorites:
"My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you today that I`ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." :rotfl:
Guess who was that ?

Ron Regan.

[XabbaRus]

US bashing? where I haven't seen that for a long time here.

[U49]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Ron Regan.

Score!

[Takeda Shingen]

Anyone who has been reading this forum regularly over the past few days knows what this thread is really about. I suggest that we move on.