fishing boats , trawlers? - Page 2

Torplexed · 10-31-07, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ping Panther

I am reading "Unrestricted Warfare", and it discusses U.S. Submariners attacking fishing boats along the coasts in the Pacific. It was considered an alternate target when no other was available, and it was rationalized that it depleted the local enemy of food resources.

According to Clay Blair's Silent Victory, Admiral Christie in Fremantle got fed up with it and issued a policy change. He wrote, "The destruction of a small sailing vessel is regretted. We are not at war with inhabitants of the Netherland East Indies and Philippine Islands. The destruction of their craft does the enemy little or no harm and is forbidden."

On the other hand this was the same guy who defended the defective magnetic detonators on USN torpedoes.

Lzs von swe · 10-31-07, 05:16 AM

If you are in the 30th flot. you should sink any and all Russian ships. They used whatever ship, boat, vessel they found to ferry troops and supply's with.
The C/38 Zwilling is perfect for shooting fishing boats and the like to pieces, and planes

Jimbuna · 10-31-07, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Personally, i dont attack civilian fishing vessels and yachts.

Pretty pointless anyway.....they just respawn as soon as ypu sail on :p

STEED · 10-31-07, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Pretty pointless anyway.....they just respawn as soon as ypu sail on :p

Telling me, I remember sinking the HOOD and on my next patrol I came across her again.

I only target big stuff and leave the little stuff alone.

Fusek · 10-31-07, 08:40 AM

The British used trawlers and the like to ferry secret agents and resistance members to Norway, the so called Shetland Express or Shetland Bus. So whenever im in the North Sea and spot a fishingboat etc I sink it (by either flak or ramming)

Wikipedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shetland_bus

Ping Panther · 10-31-07, 10:27 AM

So, do local fishing boats/trawlers actually call-in their sub sightings in SH3? And if they do simulate calls on your position, does this then have the big guys come running for your location? :hmm:

Jimbuna · 10-31-07, 10:48 AM

If your an enemy....yes, there is a chance assistance will be called upon.
The level of response is down to factors such as the closeness of any surface vessels and the distance to the nearest airbase.

seafarer · 10-31-07, 11:26 AM

I don't know any numbers from WWII, but german u-boats supposedly sank 675 British trawlers between 1914 and 1918, killing 434 fisherman in the process (almost all sunk by gunfire, but at least one by ramming).

A fishing trawler was even used as bait by HM submarine C24 to lure U-40 into torpedo range in 1915 (the tactic was to tow the British sub with the trawler, and lure the U-boat into a quick torpedo kill).

Anyone know any actual figures for attacks/losses of fishing boats in UK waters during WWII?

PapaG39 · 10-31-07, 11:59 AM

hmmm, I have passed up each and every fishing boat or trawler that I came across.
In the IIA/D sub you only have the puny pop gun which is next to worthless. Usually the weather is stinko so I couldn't get a crew on the gun anyway.

Now with the VIIB boat I do have a gun, but the ones I saw along the coast of Norway were in a high wave condition so I couldn't gun em anyway.

My Uncle Ray Thomason was a fisherman out of Petesberg, Alaska "The Shirley" and I knew to many fisherman....Be really hard for me to sink a fishing boat...Even in "just-a-game".

U-96 · 10-31-07, 12:06 PM

Don't bother with them, Regardless of what Doenitz says.

The German fighting men won a reputation in WWI ,and to an extent WWII, of not only being very efficiant and deadly soldiers. But also to be rather gentlemanly, Trawlers and fishing boats are of no military value and their meagre tonnage are not worth the stain on your honour.

Plus for practical reasons it's a waste of ammo, And wasting time, fuel, chasing and sinking them instead of searching for proper targets as well as having as much ammunition available to sink them. And last but certainly not least, why have a boat spot you and call you in for 50 tons worth of shipping. That's a lousy deal.

Bismarck · 10-31-07, 01:36 PM

Only with star shells. Once a destroyer appeared behind a trawler and i had flee. I had no eels.

GreyBeard · 10-31-07, 02:46 PM

For me it's just a freakin' game. If it floats and doesn't fly my flag it's going to the bottom, unless it's a neutral or I'm out of ammo.

STEED · 10-31-07, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GreyBeard

For me it's just a freakin' game. If it floats and doesn't fly my flag it's going to the bottom, unless it's a neutral or I'm out of ammo.

Screw neutrals I sunk three American Tankers today July41.

I was awarded the Iron Cross First Class for it.

Jimbuna · 10-31-07, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

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Originally Posted by GreyBeard

For me it's just a freakin' game. If it floats and doesn't fly my flag it's going to the bottom, unless it's a neutral or I'm out of ammo.

Screw neutrals I sunk three American Tankers today July41.

I was awarded the Iron Cross First Class for it.

You sure your not from Viking Ancestry

Bismarck · 11-01-07, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

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Originally Posted by GreyBeard

For me it's just a freakin' game. If it floats and doesn't fly my flag it's going to the bottom, unless it's a neutral or I'm out of ammo.

Screw neutrals I sunk three American Tankers today July41.

I was awarded the Iron Cross First Class for it.

You sure your not from Viking Ancestry

Launch the latest norwegian sub!!
http://www.stratics.com/content/prev...s/longboat.jpg
Who needs a VIIC?

10-31-07, 05:16 AM	#17
Lzs von swe Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Norrkoping, Sweden Posts: 1,074 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	If you are in the 30th flot. you should sink any and all Russian ships. They used whatever ship, boat, vessel they found to ferry troops and supply's with. The C/38 Zwilling is perfect for shooting fishing boats and the like to pieces, and planes __________________

10-31-07, 10:48 AM	#22
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	If your an enemy....yes, there is a chance assistance will be called upon. The level of response is down to factors such as the closeness of any surface vessels and the distance to the nearest airbase. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

10-31-07, 11:26 AM	#23
seafarer Commodore Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 622 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't know any numbers from WWII, but german u-boats supposedly sank 675 British trawlers between 1914 and 1918, killing 434 fisherman in the process (almost all sunk by gunfire, but at least one by ramming). A fishing trawler was even used as bait by HM submarine C24 to lure U-40 into torpedo range in 1915 (the tactic was to tow the British sub with the trawler, and lure the U-boat into a quick torpedo kill). Anyone know any actual figures for attacks/losses of fishing boats in UK waters during WWII? __________________ My Father's ship, HMCS Waskesiu (K330), sank U257 on 02/24/1944 running SHIII-1.4 with GWX2.1 and SHIV-1.5 with TMO/RSRDC/PE3.3 under MS Vista Home Premium 32-bit SP1 ACER AMD Athlon 64x2 4800+, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 400GB SATA HD Antec TruePower Trio 650watt PSU BFG GeForce 8800GT/OC 512MB VRAM, Samsung 216BW widescreen (1680x1050) LCD

10-31-07, 12:06 PM	#25
U-96 Mate Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 53 Downloads: 388 Uploads: 0	Don't bother with them, Regardless of what Doenitz says. The German fighting men won a reputation in WWI ,and to an extent WWII, of not only being very efficiant and deadly soldiers. But also to be rather gentlemanly, Trawlers and fishing boats are of no military value and their meagre tonnage are not worth the stain on your honour. Plus for practical reasons it's a waste of ammo, And wasting time, fuel, chasing and sinking them instead of searching for proper targets as well as having as much ammunition available to sink them. And last but certainly not least, why have a boat spot you and call you in for 50 tons worth of shipping. That's a lousy deal. __________________ Because this boat is barely enough for the 50 men we already have. How many would you have rescued, 1? 10? 100? -Kptlt. Willenbrock (film: Das Boot)

10-31-07, 08:40 AM	#20
Fusek Bosun Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 65 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	The British used trawlers and the like to ferry secret agents and resistance members to Norway, the so called Shetland Express or Shetland Bus. So whenever im in the North Sea and spot a fishingboat etc I sink it (by either flak or ramming) Wikipedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shetland_bus

10-31-07, 10:27 AM	#21
Ping Panther Lieutenant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: the armpit of the Mid-Atlantic / Quadrant CA42 Posts: 262 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	So, do local fishing boats/trawlers actually call-in their sub sightings in SH3? And if they do simulate calls on your position, does this then have the big guys come running for your location? :hmm:

10-31-07, 11:59 AM	#24
PapaG39 Frogman Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 297 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	hmmm, I have passed up each and every fishing boat or trawler that I came across. In the IIA/D sub you only have the puny pop gun which is next to worthless. Usually the weather is stinko so I couldn't get a crew on the gun anyway. Now with the VIIB boat I do have a gun, but the ones I saw along the coast of Norway were in a high wave condition so I couldn't gun em anyway. My Uncle Ray Thomason was a fisherman out of Petesberg, Alaska "The Shirley" and I knew to many fisherman....Be really hard for me to sink a fishing boat...Even in "just-a-game".

10-31-07, 01:36 PM	#26
Bismarck Medic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: At the bottom of the sea in my VIIC Posts: 164 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Only with star shells. Once a destroyer appeared behind a trawler and i had flee. I had no eels.

10-31-07, 02:46 PM	#27
GreyBeard Engineer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LI, NY Posts: 209 Downloads: 257 Uploads: 2	For me it's just a freakin' game. If it floats and doesn't fly my flag it's going to the bottom, unless it's a neutral or I'm out of ammo.