"Legalise all drugs"

[RedMenace]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Mark 7
[15] There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
[16] If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
[17] And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
[18] And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
[19] Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
[20] And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
[21] For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
[22] Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
[23] All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.


People need to take responsability for they're own actions and not try to blame a thing....All things on this Earth were put here for man to use and partake of...save one....to snub the nose up at things because "man" says so is foolish...yet at the same time it is man that can still throw you into jail for not obeying the current law of the land.

The golden rule is Love....love worketh no ill and if thy brother is offended by thou eating meat or partaking of a thing, it becomes sin to you to cause offense for him.

If thou eatest meat thou doest good but not at the price of the little ones.

Faith is the key.

Let me be the first to say... what?

And anyway, yeah, this War on Drugs thing isn't working. The price of heroin has gone down by around 600% since the 1970's. Obviously something's not working.

It's also stupid to put drug users in jail. You can't put a herion junkie in jail for being a herion junkie. Why? Because he's just gonna come out of prison the same way he came in: a heroin junkie.

It's ALSO stupid to be so hypocritical on some drugs and not others. Alcohol and tobacco, both mind-altering, addictive, and physically crippling, is both legal and socially acceptable, if not the norm, while marijuana is still illegal in the majority of western nations, despite it being non-addictive and relatively harmless.

If you want to take down drugs, you got to legalize them, and control them. Doing drugs doesn't make you a criminal, but by criminalizing something that isn't a crime, you still make real criminals. You create drug dealers, drug lords, and a helluva lot of gang violence.

Just something to think about.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

Some may say pot is not all that harmless, but where does it lead?

The gatway theory is BS. Why would marijuana lead to harder drug use if it has many of the same characteristics of cigarettes while nobody claims that they're anything more than bad for your longterm health?

If you say then that because Marijuana is in the same boat as the harder drugs and so you meet the others by doing this one then theres no reason not to remove this one from the same category as the harder drugs.

None of the logic for keeping weed illegal makes any sense. If someone uses a harder drug than booze or weed then they 'need' it, and not because weed compelled them to. Most drug use is a social issue. People don't do drugs cause the evil drug captured their mind. Why does someone WANT to do heroine? Numb some kind of pain? The psychological reasons for drug abuse have little to nothing to do with the cultural taboo surrounding them. Booze is abused far more than any illegal narcotic and for the same reasons.

Weed is probably the safest drug you can do compared to half the stuff taht your doctor tells you to take. Think about it, prescription drugs for depression... B-dup on the corner gives you some china white cause your life sucks... whats the real difference there, other than one has a Washington lobby and the other doesn't?

[TteFAboB]

You guys ever heard of illegal and fake cigarrettes? http://www.cancer.org/downloads/AA/TobaccoAtlas17.pdf; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4096911.stm

Legalising drugs wouldn't get rid of the black-market, but provide traffickers and smugglers with a secondary source of income. The market would be quickly divided between criminals and the pharmaceutical industry.

There are two kinds of drug users: the addict and the recreational (or occasional). The first needs help, the second just needs to switch to pharmaceuticals so that he doesn't finance crime.

Then, in the case of Europe and the UK, we just sit and wait for Islam to clean the land of drug addicts by implanting its superior culture: http://www.inter-islam.org/Prohibitions/drugs.htm

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

Ban Tobbaco!

Meanwhile, in Belmont, Cal.

http://media.www.theargonaut.net/med...-2993567.shtml
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_7135...e=most_emailed
http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/artic...Wohnungen.html

The addict, for him it does not play a role if he suffers from legal or illegal drugs - he still is suffering.

If today's known drugs become legalized, new, heavier fruits of sin will be invented, and be traded on the black market. there will always be a black market for illegal drugs. Wanting to prevent that is like wanting to prohibit prostitution.

Legalizing drugs leads to more people having access to them easily. even people who else would never have become in touch with them. In the end, you end up with even higher umbers of addicts. Great.

I share my prof's view of that legalizing drugs compares to legally recommending suicide to healthy people. It simply is idiotic, and remains unexcusable from an ethical perspective.

as I said: controlled projects for junkeys wanting to get off the trip, wehre they are helped out of the criminal scene by allowing them access to state-controlled drugs, combined with obligations, therapeutical measures, and such.

Alcohol is pefectly legal in all Wetsern nations. Now tell me: is the number of people falling victim to it increasing or decreasing? I give you the ansewr: we have more kids and juveniles drinking themselves into coma, and we have more juveniles rgularly consuming alamring levels of alcohol, and we have more teenage alcoholics than ever before. The level of adult alcoholics is at least not declining.

Drug abuse due to job-related stress is a massive problem in many typical jobs: medical staff and doctors, managers. They will not stop consuming drugs because they are legalized. Rather the opposite.

That should decide the argument of legalizing drugs once and for all. I can't believe that people could be so stupid to defend this idea. It is abstract, unrealistic conceptions being drawn in the safety of some 1968-accelerated super-pedagogue's bureau, frontally colliding with non-cooperating harsh reality at maximum speed.

[TarJak]

Given that the two drugs that are associated with the deaths of more people in the Western world are both legal I would say that legalising does little to reduce the harm caused by drugs.

That said I also disagree with the current approach which is one of the most wasteful and corruptable positions to take. Making drugs legal or illegal has been proven to do little to stem use or abuse. Regardless of the laws people will try to make money out of other people's addictions and those that are addicted will do what they can to feed that addition. This is so with tobacco and alcohol as it is with all additcive drugs.

As Andrew Denton often said "People are the problem."

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by TarJak

As Andrew Denton often said "People are the problem."

Tell that to psychologist, pedagogues, social scientists, and other endlessly wellmeaning "Menschenbewegte"! So many of them consider themselves to be omnipotent and blessed with God-like powers, any every man on earth only is a question of the right tool or technique to make him hop in the sociologic correct manner. Never missed it since I turned my back on it, never will miss it.

[kiwi_2005]

Legalise drugs - No.
Adding Tobbacco to the illegal list - Yes

Have to disagree with the "Adding Tabacco" to the illegal list i'm afraid. That said, i'd happily add cigarettes to the list.

In Norway and Sweden there are many users of Snus, this is a similar to something that exists in the states but the manufacturing process is a little more "user" friendly. Both countries have one of the lowest rates of lung cancer, especially amongst men. Furthermore, nicotine addictin is a real problem and as such we should be trying tohelp people give up cigarettes and ultimately nicotine too. Snus is very helpfull in helping people give up the fags as it satisfies their nicotine addiction during. Much akin to nicotine chewing gum, Snus releases nicotine via a tobacco pouch placed under the lip and against the gum. The World Health Organistation investigated Snus and concluded it as possibly increasing the risk of neck, gum and mouth cancer amongst "heavy" users but also concluded it helped those addicted to ciagrettes to kick the habit.

We can ban things, but that does not solve the problem.....remember prohibition ?

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Weed is probably the safest drug you can do compared to half the stuff taht your doctor tells you to take. Think about it, prescription drugs for depression... B-dup on the corner gives you some china white cause your life sucks... whats the real difference there, other than one has a Washington lobby and the other doesn't?

Double Blind testing

[STEED]

Sure you can take drugs as long as you pay for your own medical treatment as there is no point locking them up as our prisons there junkie Paradise.

[kiwi_2005]

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

Have to disagree with the "Adding Tabacco" to the illegal list i'm afraid. That said, i'd happily add cigarettes to the list.

In Norway and Sweden there are many users of Snus, this is a similar to something that exists in the states but the manufacturing process is a little more "user" friendly. Both countries have one of the lowest rates of lung cancer, especially amongst men. Furthermore, nicotine addictin is a real problem and as such we should be trying tohelp people give up cigarettes and ultimately nicotine too. Snus is very helpfull in helping people give up the fags as it satisfies their nicotine addiction during. Much akin to nicotine chewing gum, Snus releases nicotine via a tobacco pouch placed under the lip and against the gum. The World Health Organistation investigated Snus and concluded it as possibly increasing the risk of neck, gum and mouth cancer amongst "heavy" users but also concluded it helped those addicted to ciagrettes to kick the habit.

We can ban things, but that does not solve the problem.....remember prohibition ?

I should of said ciggarettes to avoid confusion, I was a 'roll your own' tobbacco user so to me tobbacco, ciggarettes same thing. A smoker for 20+ years, its a very nasty habit, and like heroin once you have your first hit your hooked (for most) the more you take it the more you become dependent on it. Thing is ciggarettes doesn't make you high like most drugs nor drunk like alcohol so banning it would not get young ppl to go out and buy it underground. Why do most try cannibis cause its the thrill of getting high, why do they head out to the pubs on a friday night cause its the thrill of getting drunk. So imagine cigarettes being sold underground here have this its only $20 a bag, oh will this give me a buzz, no it will do nothing to you apart from becoming dependant on it for the rest of your life. No thanks thats for striaght ppl. I need to get high tonight. The pushers will go broke

Not only that but what really gets to me is tobbacco companies are making huge profits to a drug that kills you. And all they do is control the use of ciggerettes in public places etc., Just bann it from the planet! Oh wait the govenment gets huge taxes from tobbacco. They to are drug dealers.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by CptSimFreak

Which country legalized marijuana and has no problem with 'drug' crime? Hmmm....they must be wrong. Let's preemptively invade them on behalf of 'moral-religious' grounds.


Government will take any possible router to make most stupidest law which it will not able to enforce.

My country.

And we are already invaded,.... by americans.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

Legalise drugs - No.
Adding Tobbacco to the illegal list - Yes

And alcohol!

No, wait...they tried that already, and it didn't work either.