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Penelope_Grey · 08-18-07, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sunvalleyslim

I'm sorry Penelope but your answer suggests that your life is more important than some of your passengers. Who do you leave behind, women, children, elderly, or the disabled? Are they not also your responsibilty? You are the Captain of the Ship, You are also responsible for this castatrophe. Two ships cannot collide without each party being responsible. That responsibilty remains solely yours. If you leave the Ship with people aboard needing rescueing, your fate at the Board of Inquiry will indeed be sealed. And you would never command another ship again........Just merely my opinion

That's preferable to death in my opinion.

Looking at it from a cold and purely logical point of view, me gallantly going down with the ship won't save the people on board who didn't get off in time.

Kapitan · 08-18-07, 11:53 AM

Not to forget the jail term, the captain of the oceanos who abandond ship before his passengers he was convicted of the following:

Gross mis conduct
negligence
Endangering human life
Breaking of multiple international regulations

If she had sunk with one life lost i would say murder as well or manslaughter

Think he got 17 years for that one.

Kapitan · 08-18-07, 12:29 PM

The way i see it is if every person is alive and they get off then i will abandon ship, however if some one has died onboard under my command then as it says in the bible eye for an eye tooth for a tooth, they borded my vessel put thier life in my hands and trusted me not to take that all away from them, and i did therefore it is only right that i too should suffer the same fate by going down with the ship.

Sailor Steve · 08-18-07, 12:42 PM

No. The captain's duty is to his crew and passengers, not to the ship itself. If people died in the accident, dying along with them will do no one any good. If people are trapped below, then by all means your duty is to stay aboard until they are rescued, and if they can't be then keep trying, even if it means dying with them. I see a huge difference in the two.

Did Dick O'Kane go down with Tang? Yes, Captain Smith chose to go down with Titanic (or did he?), but he was at the end of a long and perfect career, and may have felt a heavy responsibility for what happened.

A lot depends on circumstances, but in general I'd say no, it is not your responsibility to die just for the sake of tradition.

Kapitan · 08-18-07, 12:42 PM

A more realistic view of the scenario.

The collision with the tanker

The ship starting to roll over.

TteFAboB · 08-20-07, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Are cardrivers that survive an accident in which people got killed obligated to kill themselves?

This may seem ridiculously funny at first, but if it's the driver that caused the "accident", that's an option worth contemplating, especially if it's a drunk/otherwise intoxicated driver.

Of course, if you're going to kill yourself, go volunteer to disarm land mines in Africa and die doing something worth our time. Having a death wish will only make your job more effective: just dance around the mine-field or something!

Kapitan · 08-20-07, 03:04 PM

But what about tradition?

Penelope_Grey · 08-20-07, 03:23 PM

Not to put too fine a point on it, some traditions are best left in the past where they belong, like slavery, colonialism, and going down with your ship...

Kapitan · 08-20-07, 04:02 PM

Depends on how you see it, not only tradition but it could be classed as heroic, patriotism, some one who has balls the size of church bells, and honour

Skybird · 08-20-07, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Depends on how you see it, not only tradition but it could be classed as heroic, patriotism, some one who has balls the size of church bells, and honour

Dead is dead.

Do you know that SF series "Space 2063"? The 16th episode, "Toy Soldier"? That is what you remind me of when talking like that.

Just want to say that. No hard feelings.

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr · 08-20-07, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Not to put too fine a point on it, some traditions are best left in the past where they belong, like slavery, colonialism, and going down with your ship...

colonialism is a tradition ?

there is one tradition wich is still going on from the stone age and will be till there is only 1 person on the world. and that one is called war.

View Poll Results: Would you go down with the ship
Yes as master of the ship its my duty to sail her to the last	5	15.15%
No she is not worth more lives and definatly not worth mine	26	78.79%
I dont know as i would not like to be in that situation	2	6.06%
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08-18-07, 11:53 AM	#2
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Not to forget the jail term, the captain of the oceanos who abandond ship before his passengers he was convicted of the following: Gross mis conduct negligence Endangering human life Breaking of multiple international regulations If she had sunk with one life lost i would say murder as well or manslaughter Think he got 17 years for that one. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-18-07, 12:29 PM	#3
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	The way i see it is if every person is alive and they get off then i will abandon ship, however if some one has died onboard under my command then as it says in the bible eye for an eye tooth for a tooth, they borded my vessel put thier life in my hands and trusted me not to take that all away from them, and i did therefore it is only right that i too should suffer the same fate by going down with the ship. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-18-07, 12:42 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	No. The captain's duty is to his crew and passengers, not to the ship itself. If people died in the accident, dying along with them will do no one any good. If people are trapped below, then by all means your duty is to stay aboard until they are rescued, and if they can't be then keep trying, even if it means dying with them. I see a huge difference in the two. Did Dick O'Kane go down with Tang? Yes, Captain Smith chose to go down with Titanic (or did he?), but he was at the end of a long and perfect career, and may have felt a heavy responsibility for what happened. A lot depends on circumstances, but in general I'd say no, it is not your responsibility to die just for the sake of tradition. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-18-07, 12:42 PM	#5
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	A more realistic view of the scenario. The collision with the tanker The ship starting to roll over. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-20-07, 03:04 PM	#7
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	But what about tradition? __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-20-07, 03:23 PM	#8
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Not to put too fine a point on it, some traditions are best left in the past where they belong, like slavery, colonialism, and going down with your ship... __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

08-20-07, 04:02 PM	#9
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Depends on how you see it, not only tradition but it could be classed as heroic, patriotism, some one who has balls the size of church bells, and honour __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/