Who was the more evil power in WWII ? - Page 2

McBeck · 08-17-07, 04:21 AM

OK people....let get back on topic - or take it to the General forum!

Ducimus · 08-17-07, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Swede

Hey tater, take your pro american propaganda to the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

As if the Japanese were innocent little angles...
http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan...s_pacific.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...ajor_incidents

Go ahead, read it. The Nanking Massacre is a good place to start.

McBeck · 08-17-07, 05:20 AM

OK...you were warned.

Posts not related to SH3 or SH4, but merly about WWII has been moved.

The Avon Lady · 08-17-07, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Swede

Hey tater, take your pro american propaganda to the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Who could have taken it at the time to their imperial an "divine" Emperor Hirohito and his military thugs, where the responsibility lies to this day.

Thank you Tater.

Swede, where's the disinformation in Tater's post? Waiting......................

Oberon · 08-17-07, 06:57 AM

There was no strict 'evil' power in WWII IMHO, just bad people in the wrong places. Take, the Kriegsmarine for example, a reasonable proportion of the Kriegsmarine couldn't give a hoot about Hitler or the Nazi party, they just wanted to get out, do their jobs as military men, defending their nation from aggression, and get home alive....but not everyone was like this, there were the devout and fanatical Nazis, the SS troopers, those who would kill in the name of the fuhrer and kill again, not only because they loved their leader but because they loved killing. Such sadists are still around today, and they're usually drawn towards societies who need to use violence for their means, such as the early days of the Nazi party.

Each side had its own share of atrocities, only a couple of hours ago I was reading a book about the Battle of Britain and how Spitfire pilots would occasionally single out German parachutes and open fire on them...or wait until they landed on the ground and then strafe them. The Japanese commited countless atrocities, as did the Soviets and Nazis, you could also quite easily call Hiroshima and Nagasaki atrocities, but it was perhaps what is called a necessary evil...but where do we draw the line at necessary evils? What is defined as a necessary evil?

I think it's a little wrong to ask which is the most evil power in WWII, as each power had evil men, as much as they had good men.

antikristuseke · 08-17-07, 07:18 AM

In my opinion both Nazi germany and the Soviet onion were equally "evil". But history, particulary of that era, is different in everyones eyes. For uswho live in a country boardering with Russia the history is especialy tricky since the societ version is complete bull**** and the real history is too inconvenient for most western powers to be widely acknowleged. Iv noticed several posts refering to SS and SS troops, but one must understand to draw a line between the Waffen-SS (exept for the Totenkopf part which did infact monitor concentration camps) and SS, since one was an elite military organization, though it mainly concisted of nazis, while the other was the organisation responsible for the atrocities, secret policing and such. Another thing about the Waffen-SS are the Baltic SS Legions, in which my grandfather fought, those were recognized as armed forces of coutries where the men came from during the Nuremberg trials, a fact that is allso conveniently looked past. I know from my granfather statements that allmost all men who voulenteered and those who were later conscripted only joined to keep the russians out of our country, when the germans withdrew, most deserted, but those who remained were shipped off from one killing field to the next. But ennough for now, dont want to rant too much about the history of ym own country during WW2

Takeda Shingen · 08-17-07, 08:19 AM

I do not like the tone of this thread. Improve it or it will close.

The Management

joea · 08-17-07, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Swede

Hey tater, take your pro american propaganda to the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Why not pro-Chinese or pro-Soviet, why the obsession with Americans? I've said it before no moral equivalance between the Axis and Allies in this war, read Ducimus' links btw. I can bet a fair proportion of those who argue so must be secretly sympathetic to the Nazis and their ilk somehow.

Not saying this is the case of anyone here.

StdDev · 08-17-07, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I do not like the tone of this thread. Improve it or it will close.

The Management

Tak!!
If the thread gets too "out of hand"....
move it... to McBecks forum!! :rotfl:

Takeda Shingen · 08-17-07, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by StdDev

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I do not like the tone of this thread. Improve it or it will close.

The Management

Tak!!
If the thread gets too "out of hand"....
move it... to McBecks forum!! :rotfl:

Hey Std. You made me smile with that one. Everyone knows how I feel about imported fist fights.

joea · 08-17-07, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Hey Std. You made me smile with that one. Everyone knows how I feel about imported fist fights.

Sorry, I should refrain from posting in these these kind of threads.

What a stupid title as well.

StdDev · 08-17-07, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Hey Std. You made me smile with that one. Everyone knows how I feel about imported fist fights.

Just doing my duty sir!

Takeda Shingen · 08-17-07, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by joea

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Hey Std. You made me smile with that one. Everyone knows how I feel about imported fist fights.

Sorry, I should refrain from posting in these these kind of threads.

What a stupid title as well.

No, no, no. I wasn't yelling at you, Joe. A lot of the people that follow an imported thread do not regularly read GT, and therefore do not know how I operate as a moderator. So, when a thread like this get dumped here, I post as such to let the non-GTers know that I am watching it, and will lock it whether they like it or not.

I don't have to do it for guys like you and the other regulars. It is the reason that this forum has been running so smoothly in the past three weeks. Members know the rules and act accordingly, allowing me to be a, largely, invisible presence on the forum, and let you guys run the show.

McBeck · 08-17-07, 09:01 AM

Nothin' like dumping problems in other peoples labs!

Dowly · 08-17-07, 09:07 AM

My vote for the most evil power of WWII goes to...

*drumbeat*

Soviet Union!

What kind of man kills ~20mil of his OWN people?!

08-17-07, 04:21 AM	#16
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08-17-07, 05:20 AM	#18
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08-17-07, 09:01 AM	#29
McBeck Admiral Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,027 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Nothin' like dumping problems in other peoples labs! __________________ "I like subcommanders...they dont have time for bull**!" Proud member of the Subsim army of zombies Becks website

08-17-07, 06:57 AM	#20
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	There was no strict 'evil' power in WWII IMHO, just bad people in the wrong places. Take, the Kriegsmarine for example, a reasonable proportion of the Kriegsmarine couldn't give a hoot about Hitler or the Nazi party, they just wanted to get out, do their jobs as military men, defending their nation from aggression, and get home alive....but not everyone was like this, there were the devout and fanatical Nazis, the SS troopers, those who would kill in the name of the fuhrer and kill again, not only because they loved their leader but because they loved killing. Such sadists are still around today, and they're usually drawn towards societies who need to use violence for their means, such as the early days of the Nazi party. Each side had its own share of atrocities, only a couple of hours ago I was reading a book about the Battle of Britain and how Spitfire pilots would occasionally single out German parachutes and open fire on them...or wait until they landed on the ground and then strafe them. The Japanese commited countless atrocities, as did the Soviets and Nazis, you could also quite easily call Hiroshima and Nagasaki atrocities, but it was perhaps what is called a necessary evil...but where do we draw the line at necessary evils? What is defined as a necessary evil? I think it's a little wrong to ask which is the most evil power in WWII, as each power had evil men, as much as they had good men.

08-17-07, 07:18 AM	#21
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	In my opinion both Nazi germany and the Soviet onion were equally "evil". But history, particulary of that era, is different in everyones eyes. For uswho live in a country boardering with Russia the history is especialy tricky since the societ version is complete bull**** and the real history is too inconvenient for most western powers to be widely acknowleged. Iv noticed several posts refering to SS and SS troops, but one must understand to draw a line between the Waffen-SS (exept for the Totenkopf part which did infact monitor concentration camps) and SS, since one was an elite military organization, though it mainly concisted of nazis, while the other was the organisation responsible for the atrocities, secret policing and such. Another thing about the Waffen-SS are the Baltic SS Legions, in which my grandfather fought, those were recognized as armed forces of coutries where the men came from during the Nuremberg trials, a fact that is allso conveniently looked past. I know from my granfather statements that allmost all men who voulenteered and those who were later conscripted only joined to keep the russians out of our country, when the germans withdrew, most deserted, but those who remained were shipped off from one killing field to the next. But ennough for now, dont want to rant too much about the history of ym own country during WW2

08-17-07, 08:19 AM	#22
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I do not like the tone of this thread. Improve it or it will close. The Management

08-17-07, 09:07 AM	#30
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,054 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	My vote for the most evil power of WWII goes to... drumbeat Soviet Union! What kind of man kills ~20mil of his OWN people?!