Super-duper escorts

[HMCS]

I was stalking a task force for a shot at a BB for the first time ever, which made this all the more ANNOYING...

A Hunt II came barrelling at me, pinging away with ASDIC at 18 kts.

Pardon-moi. I thought that that was too fast for either passive or active sensors.

[hale4ua]

I've had a very similar problem, and quite a number of times. That's when I usually send an acoustic torpedo the escort's way. A few short seconds later my problem with the escort is over.

[STEED]

He was trying to make you crap your pants and do something which would be very helpful to him.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

HMCS I'm guessing that he first got a hydrophone fix on you and then raced like heck to your "last plotted" location to reaquire you with shorter ranged ASDIC.

(We can't make them stop pinging on the way to the "last plotted U-boat position" though.... SH3 quirk.)

The high speed of the escort in question is certainly a great hindrance in his effort to detect you due to white noise.

In general though, ASDIC is less affected by upper level water noise than hydrophones.

In real life, ASW detection devices would be retracted back into the escort's hull at speeds of 15 kts or better. (Generally speaking) The risk was having said devices torn free by hydrodynamic forces impressed upon them above speeds of 15kts.

Technically, they could still listen to hydrophones/sonar at high speed in RL... but the usefulness of doing so... and successful plotting, is another matter.

Still, when you play DiD... any time you see that DD make a beeline for you through the scopes... with that bone in his teeth... it is suspenseful every time.

[HMCS]

This cat picked me up at 18 kts, on his beam. I was at periscope depth, speed 4 kts. He was 2000 yds away or so. And no, my scope was down. I'm very good with the 'scope, I don't leave it up for long @ all.

I have a hard time with that one.

I guess "realism" is relative. C'est la guerre.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by HMCS

This cat picked me up at 18 kts, on his beam. I was at periscope depth, speed 4 kts. He was 2000 yds away or so. And no, my scope was down. I'm very good with the 'scope, I don't leave it up for long @ all.

I have a hard time with that one.

I guess "realism" is relative. C'est la guerre.

At 4kts, and 2000m you can definately be heard by hydrophones given the right conditions.

You aren't simply automatically detected.

What was your aspect ratio in reference to the searching unit?

Did you fire T1 steamers?

Were you running silent? (4 kts implies that you were not.)

What was the sea state.

There are too many unanswered questions here for you to state that the sensors are modelled by us arbitrarily or for you to imply that we just modelled these things haphazardly with disregard to realism.

[headcase]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Still, when you play DiD... any time you see that DD make a beeline for you through the scopes... with that bone in his teeth... it is suspenseful every time.

Suspensful my unshaven sternquarters. Terrifying is what it is. A Tribal coming at me full flank and hammering the active trash. Gives me grey hairs thinking about it.

[GoldenRivet]

I love the GWX escorts!

they make me consider what will happen to good ship and crew if my approach to the convoy fails.

then they make me consider what will happen to good ship and crew if im too careless in gathering target data.

then they make me wonder what will happen to good ship and crew if i maneuver to wrecklessly while lining up for the shot.

once the shot works out they make me wonder if im egressing smartly (getting the F outta dodge without making a lot of noise)

more often than not im detected at some later phase of the engagement and these buggers force me down to 230 - 240 meters as we play a deadly game of hide and seek... fortunately over several years of playing sub sims... i have learned how to turn my U-boat into a church mouse hiding quietly in the darkest corner of hell.

that lesson did not come easy over the years.

GWX - first the test... then the lesson!

[HMCS]

Variables, shmariables.

A DDE going at full tilt (18kts) would be lucky to hear anything. Remember, we are talking about 60 years ago. The technology is not what it is now. Next time I am at the Legion on Remem. day, I will have to try to track down an old asdic operator and see what he says. I know that the U-Boat cats were certainly contacted and interviewed about development of the game, but I don't think that they talked to too many escort crewmen.

I'm done with this, just going to live with it.

It's just a GAME for pete's sake.

[gimpy117]

yeah, kinnda annoying isn't it

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by HMCS

I was stalking a task force for a shot at a BB for the first time ever, which made this all the more ANNOYING...

A Hunt II came barrelling at me, pinging away with ASDIC at 18 kts.

Pardon-moi. I thought that that was too fast for either passive or active sensors.

They are driving you, like they try to do to Ramius.